andy Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 hiI could do with some help with this one please. Is it simply confirmation of issue of an EK2 thatwas requested in 1934?.What is the reference to 14.10.1883 about-is this just his date of birth? Came with a KM marked cross and a waxy type paper packet that i have never seen before. any thoughts?thnaksandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 cross and packet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Hello Andy:You are correct. This is an abstract of information from his official war records verifying that he was awarded the EKII on November 1, 1914. The 1883 listed after his name is indeed his date of birth.This is a very interesting document and not often seen. It appears as though he somehow lost his original EKII award document and had to re-apply to the War Ministry to get this abstract confirming the award.Best regards,"SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I'm wondering whether this certificate was actually issued TO him or was FOR him. The heading that it came from the Department for War Losses and War Graves suggests that he was actually dead, and perhaps his ? widow needed some sort of ? pension advantage from his having been an EK2 recipient.I think if he was still alive, this would have come from the Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Hello Andy and Rick:Rick, you are right of course (as always). This fellow was undoubtedly dead (next time I should pay attention!). A strange and uncommon document ideed!Best regards,"SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 Many thanks again for your help. Anyone have any thoughts on the packet?regardsandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 (edited) first time i've seen this color, but the material/size/configuration are consistent with packets used.the cross appears-from this picture, at any rate-to have been unworn. the ribbon, however, whileapparently unworn, is shorter than the standardlength issued with the EK.hope this helps.joe Edited January 20, 2008 by joe campbell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy Posted January 20, 2008 Author Share Posted January 20, 2008 Thank you joeappreciate your helpregardsandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 I'm wondering whether this certificate was actually issued TO him or was FOR him. The heading that it came from the Department for War Losses and War Graves suggests that he was actually dead, and perhaps his ? widow needed some sort of ? pension advantage from his having been an EK2 recipient.I think if he was still alive, this would have come from the Army.Maybe not, maybe not....I would guess that they simply pushed the job of Kriegsstamrollen over to the war losses dept. There is a stamp on the doc up there that says responsible for Stamrollen. as i think there were just one copy of these I think they were to take over that job as well.I have some documents somewhere that shows all the vetran affairs/POW etc departments laying off personnel and restructuring around this time. I think by then most of their work was done and why have 3 departments when one would do.I bet if this doc had been issued 6 months later the dept would have had a completely other name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 Confirmed this this week. They amalgamated the offices as I guess the workload this long after the war no longer justified 2 separate departments.BestChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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