Eric Schena Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 (edited) Hi all:Thanks to a good friend of mine, I now have a complete set of communist period classes of the Order of Skanderbeg (Urdhёri i Skёnderbeut). Named after 15th century Albanian national hero Gjergj Kastrioti, better known by his Ottoman name of Skanderbeg, the Order of Skanderbeg was established in 1945 and was awarded to senior armed forces officers for significant combat contributions during WW II. I have been "collecting" varieties of this order (yeah, I know what you're thinking, "Someone collecting varieties of communist Albanian orders? Who knew!"), and have identified a few different types. This is what I have so far identified. Please note that this is original research (and is still VERY much a work in progress), so if someone wants to "borrow" it, be my guest, HOWEVER, I'd appreciate if you just let me know beforehand before posting anywhere else... First Class: Gold ten pointed star upon which is a red enameled star, at the center, a separately attached grayed silver medallion on a wreath with the helmeted idealized bust of Skanderbeg. The Pr?wema screwback versions appear to be made of an anodized alloy rather than a gilt nickel alloy. 98 are believed to have been awarded by the mid 1980?s.a. Screw back made by IKOM (not observed but presumed to exist)b. Screw back made by PR?WEMA: i. Large marked screw plate ii. Small marked screw platec. Horizontal pin back with dished central section on reverse (not observed but presumed to exist) d. Horizontal pin back with completely flat reverse (not observed but presumed to exist)Here's the 1st class - this one a PR?WEMA made piece with the larger (older) screwplate: Edited October 4, 2005 by Eric Schena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Schena Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 Second Class: Similar to the 1st class, however, the badge is silver with a gilt wreath. 229 are believed to have been awarded by the mid 1980?s.a. Screw back made by IKOM (not observed but presumed to exist)b. Screw back made by PR?WEMA: i. Large marked screw plate ii. Small marked screw platec. Horizontal pin back with dished central section on reverse d. Horizontal pin back with completely flat reverseThis is the horizontal pinback dished reverse type... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Schena Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 Third Class: Similar to the 2nd class, however, the entire badge is silver and not enameled. 472 are believed to have been awarded by the mid 1980?s.a. Screw back made by IKOM (not observed but presumed to exist)b. Screw back made by PR?WEMA: i. Large marked screw plate ii. Small marked screw platec. Horizontal pin back with dished central section on reverse d. Horizontal pin back with completely flat reverse (not observed but presumed to exist)This is the small screwplate PR?WEMA version. I also have a horizontal pinback w/dished reverse variety that looks almost exactly like this one, leading me to believe that they were both made by PR?WEMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Schena Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 And in case you were wondering, here are the two types of PR?WEMA screwplates. The one on the left is the larger (and older) style, the one on the right the smaller newer style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Oh . . . pretty . . . Thanks, Eric. Always glad to learn new things.Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFloyd Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 I think you've just posted more information and photos than exist in any single Enlish-language publication. I don't think I've ever seen the lower grades.Thanks,Jeff Floyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence Strong Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Interesting. I searched E-bay the other day out of curiosity for Albanian medals, There was not much there!Thanks for showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Schena Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 Thanks for the comments! The Skanderbeg Order has always been a personal favorite of mine.If you want to see a 1950's period 3rd class ribbon, check out: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2445Finding info on communist Albanian decorations is actually harder than finding the decorations. Apparently there is a book in Albanian written in the 1980's about them but that book is so hard to find that it is almost legendary/mythic (the "Nessie"/"Champ" of medal books). That is where I got the numbers awarded from - via a friend who saw the book. I am trying to get even so much as a photocopy so I can complete some of my research on these elusive decorations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 We are grateful for your pioneering work here, Eric! YOU are writing what will become the standard reference for the rest of us. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 (edited) Eric,most informative Thread You should think about to compile your work into a book or CD.You maybe remember this one, my Order of Skanderbeg 2nd class (type d after your list), which i only was able to recognize on ebay after reading your excellent thread about Albanian Orders and Medals on WAF. I have a few other Albanian awards and for some reason i like them. I mean, they are not pretty, but... Hell, i don?t know, why, but i do. best,Gerd Edited October 5, 2005 by Gerd Becker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Schena Posted October 5, 2005 Author Share Posted October 5, 2005 (edited) Hi Gerd:I sure do remember that Skanderbeg - you practically stole it you got it so cheap Funny you should mention compiling my research...I have accumulated 60 some odd pages worth so far about these orders (including a little on the Wilhelm of Wied and Zog era pieces) and I hope to polish it up and do something with it and "share the wealth". Sadly, I am missing some key info, so it's not really in any shape at present. I'll try to post excerpts of what I have so far here so more folks will have a better appreciation for these items. The Hoxha era stuff cannot hold a candle as far as workmanship is concerned to say Soviet or Mongolian orders, but they do have a certain fascination behind them.I would absolutely love to see what you have in your collection Cheers,Eric Edited October 5, 2005 by Eric Schena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Hi Eric,sorry for the late reply. I only have a few Albanian Awards, a representative set, what a Veteran may have worn. I have two orders, firstly this Order or Medal “Remembrance 1942-1943”, with "Ikom Zagreb" screwnut. I like it, its nicely made in a decent quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 The second order, i have, is this Order of Labor 3rd class: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Further two Medals, this Medal for Bravery: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 And the last one, a Medal for Liberation of the Country. I hope, you enjoyed my little Albanian Collection. Would you agree, that its representative of what a veteran maybe has worn?all the best,Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Schena Posted October 10, 2005 Author Share Posted October 10, 2005 Great stuff, Gerd Yep...from what I can tell, a typical partisan/WW II vet would have received the Medal For Bravery, Medal for the Liberation of the Country, and if they were a partisan during the Italian occupation the Medal "Remembrance 1942-1943". They may also have had an Order of the Red Star and if they were an officer, a Skanderbeg 3rd class. I do have a pic of some Albanian officers in Odessan where they are wearing the Medal of Socialist Work, as well as the ones cited above.The Order of labor you have is a later Albanian made piece, probably from the 1970's. Pr?wema also made that order in the 50's and 60's. I actually like the design of the Order of Labor, plus - as you can attest - they are pretty hefty in feel.Cheers, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Eric,I only have the photo but I though you might enjoy it!!!Here you go in Hi-Res thanks to Rick Research doing his part P.S. I can get you original photos that are over 100K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Here's the reason: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatjan Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Could anyone tell me what the size of these orders is, since I've never had the pleasure of seeing one for real Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Could anyone tell me what the size of these orders is, since I've never had the pleasure of seeing one for real JanJan,Same size as most awards. About the size of Order of Suvorov.Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 (edited) Most interesting piece, Rusty. I have never seen a screwback. How would you describe the quality of the construction and the enamel? I guess, Eric will like this Gerd Edited November 24, 2005 by Gerd Becker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Most interesting piece, Rusty. I have never seen a screwback. How would you describe the quality of the construction and the enamel? I guess, Eric will like this GerdGerd,Sadly this piece is not in my collection.Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Schena Posted November 24, 2005 Author Share Posted November 24, 2005 Hi Rusty:WOW That's the first higher level IKOM Skanderbeg I've seen - I can check that one off in my guidebook as a confirmed observed variety I've mostly seen the Pr?wema screwbacks or the unmarked pinbacks (Gerd's is the only flatback pinback I've ever seen). I do know someone who has a second class IKOM Skanderbeg, but I've not actually seen it. I personally have four Skanderbegs: a large screwplate Pr?wema 1st class, a dished pinback 2nd class, a small screwplate Pr?wema 3rd class and a dished pinback 3rd class. I'll try to post some detail scans for you of mine.Great stuff! Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Glad you enjoyed it.Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 I didn't know these were made in Yugoslavia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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