EK 1914 unknown mm 1914 Ek II

[stevo4361]

Hey guys,

Just got this cross in today, and can't figure out the mm on it. It has the pictured mm on the ring, and then another on the smaller ringlet, which looks like a upside down 3, M, or E, or a V. (in a box, or 'mortice') Can't seem to match it to the databases of makers, anybody know? Appreciate the help,

Kind Regards,

Steve

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[Gordon Williamson]

Difficult to make out , but turning it this way it looks almost like it could be a badly struck WS with the first "leg" of the W faint.

Given how many of the 1914 EK2 marks are "unknowns" you may well have discovered a new mark.

[stevo4361]

Thank you very much Mr. Williamson,

I sure appreciate it!

Kind Regards,

Steve

[Bill Garvy]

Respectfully, it looks like a "WA" to my old, tired eyes, and if it is indeed a "WA", it is the first one I have seen. Regardless, Mr. Williamson's assessment is, as always, on the "mark", ahem. . . Edited October 17, 2005 by Bill Garvy

[Tom Y]

Here's a WA for comparison. I kinda think that's what you've got.

[Gordon Williamson]

Bill, Tom, I think you are correct. !

Do we know if there are two variations of the mark ( i.e. WA and Wa) in the same way as FR and Fr.

Certainly looks like an upper case A with the apex missing.

[stevo4361]

Thanks Mr. Williamson, Tom, and Mr, Garvy! Is it known what maker "WA" was?

Kind Regards,

Steve

[Gordon Williamson]

Generally regarded as Wagner.

[stevo4361]

Thank you Mr. Williamson,

I sure appreciate your and everyone's expertise on this cross, thanks again for all the help!

Kind Regards,

Steve

[Motorhead]

It looks like a "Wa",but it could be also a "We". Ok,"We" is stamped usually at the small ring-but especially at the'14 EK2 everything is possible.....Gordon,do you think "FR" and "Fr" are just different variations of the same maker?

Micha

[Rendsburg]

...and, if I'm not wrong, we can see the crescent moon.

Otto

[joe campbell]

my vote's for the We.

nice crosses,all!

joe

[Gordon Williamson]

.....Gordon,do you think "FR" and "Fr" are just different variations of the same maker?

Micha

Micha, I suppose we are sure that Fr are the Friedlander pieces and I have seen FR quoted as Frank & Reif. The obverse cores of the Fr and FR EK1s are different but the reverse fittings, and the placement of the mark are almost identical. Thats an awfully big co-incidence. Frank & Reif described themselves as a metal stamping firm, even their WW2 badges are simple stampings in zink like the GAB, PAB. I've never seen any proof that they made the EK.

[Biro]

If it's of any help, Friedlanders mark on their PLM's is capatilised.... 'FR'....

Marshall

[Motorhead]

Funny thing-I've got two EK2"FR",both with the same core.....and three "Fr"EK2-all totally different!But one of my "Fr"EK1 looks like it has got a"FR" core! Strange........

Micha

[Daniel Murphy]

Since Wagner and Godet each have several MM's attributed to them, so could Friedlander. I agree that both marks are theirs. My HHOX Knights Cross is marked "FR" as well.