medalnet Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 Well, with all but one awarded in golden times (before 1914)....yes, of course.
Stogieman Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 Andreas, since we clearly have a piece that is improperly mounted, what makes you think the cross itself is not a pre-1914 example? Thanks!
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 That is some amazing quality if the cross itself is not real.
medalnet Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 That is some amazing quality if the cross itself is not real.I don't think anybody disputes the originality of the cross; it is more the about the attachements.
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) Thanks Andreas. Is the Krone a good piece? I think we have all established in our minds that this is not an 'awarded' piece. Edited October 21, 2005 by Brian von Etzel
medalnet Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) All right then, here is the real one, made by Wagner. Red Eagle Order 3rd class with crown and swords. Crown GOLD, Cross GOLD and Swords GOLD. Edited October 21, 2005 by medalnet
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) Some very distinct differences to the crown. Andreas, without checking more closely, yours appears to be the same as my Wagner cross? Edited October 21, 2005 by Brian von Etzel
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 (edited) Here's the one from Andreas side to a Wagner. So much variety in these RAOs over time and by maker... Edited October 21, 2005 by Brian von Etzel
Stogieman Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 I think the first piece (Claudio's) would prove to be by Godet, whereas Andreas' & Brian's are Wagner.........
medalnet Posted October 21, 2005 Posted October 21, 2005 I think the first piece (Claudio's) would prove to be by Godet, whereas Andreas' & Brian's are Wagner.........The piece that started this post seems to be made by Neuhaus in my opinion...but again, I wuold need to see it life.
Claudio Posted November 2, 2005 Author Posted November 2, 2005 Hi everybody,I got more info about this RAO 3rd class... the weight without ribbon (it's impossible to measure it with precision, because the ring of the cross cannot be detached from the bar) is about 23-25 g and the whole bar weights about 35 g. It's quite light for such a medal... It's marked mark W for Wagner, contrary to Andreas' first impression that affirmed that it could have been a "Neuhaus".I am afraid that it's quite sure not an original cross or original parts put together... what do you think (Andreas)?In the enclosure I am sending another scan. Accornding to my brother comments the crown should be definitely silber gilted (the gold wash is really weak).I hope that with this info you can elaborate a definitive comment (bad or good) on this cross.I really appreciate your time and your expertise!.... I am still learning... it's a long way. I should follow a course about how to recognise precious metals and jewelry, so that in future they won't screw me so easily...Ciao,Claudio
Claudio Posted November 2, 2005 Author Posted November 2, 2005 (edited) Description of the seller... Edited November 2, 2005 by Claudio
Stogieman Posted November 2, 2005 Posted November 2, 2005 Claudio, is the cross actually marked with the "W" in the cylinder, or on the arm? I thought you said it was unmarked?? Or has the original seller simply assumed it to be a Wagner piece???
Claudio Posted November 2, 2005 Author Posted November 2, 2005 Stogie!No, the seller didn't even mention it... my brother just saw it when it first received it that the MM was on the bottom arm of the cross.Ciao,Claudio
Bob Hunter Posted November 3, 2005 Posted November 3, 2005 I have been treated to some breathtaking examples in this thread. Thank you all very much.
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