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    Guest Brian von Etzel
    Posted

    That is some amazing quality if the cross itself is not real.

    Posted

    That is some amazing quality if the cross itself is not real.

    I don't think anybody disputes the originality of the cross; it is more the about the attachements.

    Guest Brian von Etzel
    Posted (edited)

    Thanks Andreas. Is the Krone a good piece? I think we have all established in our minds that this is not an 'awarded' piece.

    Edited by Brian von Etzel
    Posted (edited)
    All right then, here is the real one, made by Wagner. Red Eagle Order 3rd class with crown and swords. Crown GOLD, Cross GOLD and Swords GOLD.

    Edited by medalnet
    Guest Brian von Etzel
    Posted (edited)

    Some very distinct differences to the crown. Andreas, without checking more closely, yours appears to be the same as my Wagner cross?

    Edited by Brian von Etzel
    Guest Brian von Etzel
    Posted (edited)

    Here's the one from Andreas side to a Wagner. So much variety in these RAOs over time and by maker...

    Edited by Brian von Etzel
    Posted

    I think the first piece (Claudio's) would prove to be by Godet, whereas Andreas' & Brian's are Wagner.........

    The piece that started this post seems to be made by Neuhaus in my opinion...but again, I wuold need to see it life.

    • 2 weeks later...
    Posted

    Hi everybody,

    I got more info about this RAO 3rd class... the weight without ribbon (it's impossible to measure it with precision, because the ring of the cross cannot be detached from the bar) is about 23-25 g and the whole bar weights about 35 g. It's quite light for such a medal... It's marked mark W for Wagner, contrary to Andreas' first impression that affirmed that it could have been a "Neuhaus".

    I am afraid that it's quite sure not an original cross or original parts put together... what do you think (Andreas)?

    In the enclosure I am sending another scan. Accornding to my brother comments the crown should be definitely silber gilted (the gold wash is really weak).

    I hope that with this info you can elaborate a definitive comment (bad or good) on this cross.

    I really appreciate your time and your expertise!.... I am still learning... it's a long way. I should follow a course about how to recognise precious metals and jewelry, so that in future they won't screw me so easily...

    Ciao,

    Claudio

    Posted

    Claudio, is the cross actually marked with the "W" in the cylinder, or on the arm? I thought you said it was unmarked?? Or has the original seller simply assumed it to be a Wagner piece???

    Posted

    Stogie!

    No, the seller didn't even mention it... my brother just saw it when it first received it that the MM was on the bottom arm of the cross.

    Ciao,

    Claudio

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