paddywhack Posted August 25, 2008 Posted August 25, 2008 (edited) yup this is another "i picked her up in the good old days" purchase! got her for about 10 irish pounds and its my favorite Russian pic i have! why? cos its a huge pic, all the medals our really clear(in the original obviously) and theres a cosmonaut in it!! but can anyone tell what it says on the back?? any who hope you enjoy it!! looks like mayday 84!!! :beer: Edited August 25, 2008 by paddywhack
paddywhack Posted August 25, 2008 Author Posted August 25, 2008 and the back!! can any help with a translation?? thanks again! :beer:
koopyetz Posted August 28, 2008 Posted August 28, 2008 Livenkov Viktor Ilichwith cosmonaut comrade KovalyonokKrupskogo raionMinskAdditions and corrections to my translation appreciated.I found the information below on the internet Krupki (belor. Крупкі) - Town in the Minsk region of Belarus, the center Krupskogo district, village founded more than 600 years ago. Near the city Bobr river runs (inflow Berezina). Located 5 km from the railway station Krupki (at the Minsk - Orsha). Horticultural plant. Woodworking. The geographical coordinates: 54 ? 19 '30 "N, 8 ? 29' 10" E In the village of White Krupskogo district was born Vladimir Kovalyonok, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, cosmonaut. ( the net has it as astronaut )
paddywhack Posted August 29, 2008 Author Posted August 29, 2008 thanks a million!! id always thought it Moscow!!! i was told the other main guy in the pic is kgb! would that be correct? il see what a google brings up! :beer:
koopyetz Posted August 29, 2008 Posted August 29, 2008 Hello Paddywhack:Glad to help.Not sure if Livenkov is KGB. Perhaps another forum member might make out more of the translation or have aditional informationabout him.
paddywhack Posted August 30, 2008 Author Posted August 30, 2008 i tried to google his name but no luck sadly!
koopyetz Posted August 30, 2008 Posted August 30, 2008 Paddywhack:It appears that Livenko was recipient of HSU. Is there a book source on HSU recipients that might have his biography?Just a thought.
Ferdinand Posted August 30, 2008 Posted August 30, 2008 The red two-volume HSU book doesn't have a Livenkov, but that book only covers HSU's up to around 1985, so Livenkov could be awarded the title between 1985 en 1991 (which means the picture was taken in this period too).
koopyetz Posted August 30, 2008 Posted August 30, 2008 Ferdinand:Thank you for your reply regarding my suggestion.
paddywhack Posted August 30, 2008 Author Posted August 30, 2008 intresting!what could he have done to get that? Afghanistan??thanks again! :beer:
Ed_Haynes Posted August 30, 2008 Posted August 30, 2008 intresting!what could he have done to get that? Afghanistan??thanks again! There were also a lot of late GPW awards.
kimj Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 It could also be a simple spelling error. There is a V.I. Liventsev at www.warheroes.ru that could be this man. http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=3385/Kim
koopyetz Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 Hello:Kimj may be on to something. The third letter from the end may not be a к but a ц changing the pronounciation.
paddywhack Posted August 31, 2008 Author Posted August 31, 2008 very very interesting!!! what did the guy get the HSU for?(even if its not him id love to know what he got it for!!)
Ed_Haynes Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 (edited) This may be but this is a nasty machine translation of his bio on that site.Liventsev Victor Ilich21. 4. 1918The hero of Soviet Union Dates of decrees 1. 1/1/1944 (A medal № 2631) Liventsev Victor Ilich ? the commander of 1st Bobruisk guerrilla brigade of Belarus, the colonel. Was born on April, 21st, 1918 in village Davydovka of Liskinsky area of the Voronezh region in a family of the employee. Russian. A member of the CPSU since 1940. In 1937 has ended 2 courses of the Voronezh teacher training college. In 1937-1938 worked as the teacher of Liskinsky high school. In 1938 Liventsev has been called in Red Army. Served in 20th cavalry to a regiment of 4th cavalry division, then - in 37th shooting to a regiment of 56th shooting division as the assistant to the political leader of the regimental battery. In 1939 took part in clearing of the Western Belarus, and as in the Soviet-finnish war 1939 - 1940 as the political leader миномётной companies. In 1941 has ended the Grodno military-political school. On June, 22nd, 1941 Liventsev has accepted the first battle near to the Western border. 3 days миномётная the company defended Anonymous height among bogs. Fighters did not know that have appeared in an environment. It has been then decided to depart on the east. Having joined a column consisting of isolated parts and divisions, 2 days battled under Volkovysky. The enemy has crumpled defence, and Liventsevu as a part of the surrounded group again had to recede. Fought in an environment near Baranovichi and in other places. In the end of July, 1941 Liventsev has appeared in the occupied Bobruisk. Having happened upon 2 others ?окруженцами?, Liventsev has started to create underground group. Soon they have contacted local Komsomol underground groups. Having united them, Liventsev has headed the underground organisation. At first have made to itself and another counterfeit documents, began to accept reports of Sovinformbjuro, to copy them on leaflets and to extend on a city. Collected the weapon. Destroyed separate Hitlerites. Soon the underground trace was attacked by Gestapo. Ливенцев has suggested all to leave in wood and there to continue struggle. In the end of November, 1941 nearby 400 persons have been deduced in guerrilla groups of October area. It was the unique case of a conclusion of the large underground organisation in wood without a failure. Especially ? without waiting spring. In it there was a big merit of the talented organizer of an underground of Victor Liventseva. In December, 1941 752nd guerrilla group under command of Liventseva has accepted the first battle, having broken fascist retaliatory group on farm Teterino. Then Hitlerite garrisons in village Kurin and settlement Ozarichi have been liquidated. In March, 1942 guerrilla group Liventseva has transferred the base in Klichevsky area of the Mogilyov area. Together with local groups the garrison in district Klichev on April, 20th, 1942 has been crushed. The huge territory of Klichevsky, Berezinsky, Kirov and Belynichsky areas has been cleared of invaders. There was a guerrilla zone. Bodies of the Soviet management have been restored. The Klichevsky guerrilla zone was left daily on tasks on highway and railways by diversionary groups. So P.Kozhushko's group of group Liventseva to autumn of 1942 had been derailed 23 enemy echelons. During spot-check to the railway Minsk ? Moscow group Liventseva has met Elena Kolesovoj's female landing group which had a portable radio set. There was a communication with "Continent". Soon on Klichevsky airdrome the first transport plane from V.S.Grizodubovoj's regiment has landed. In August, 1942 against Klichevsky Soviet area Hitlerites have thrown about 4 divisions. The most severe blockade has begun. Some days group Liventseva defended district Klichev, allowing to leave civilians in woods, and then, having broken through a ring, have left in Osipovichsky area where V.Tikhomirov's group operated. With arrival there group of the hero of civil war of A.Flegontova in area powerful guerrilla connection was created. In the autumn of 1942 group Liventseva daily confirmed the slogan: ?Kill the German in Belarus that there was no it under Stalingradom!? Tens enemy echelons have departed under a slope. If did not suffice тола, it melted from aerial bombs. On November, 4th, 1942 on a site of the railway of Talc ? Verejtsy has been stopped by a mine an echelon, and then by all group Liventseva is completely destroyed. In some days have in the same way burnt one more echelon. And on the night of New 1943 around station the Tatar group Liventseva has destroyed an echelon with a manpower. Hundreds Hitlerites have not reached to front. In the beginning of 1943 group Liventseva has been transformed by the order of the Central staff of guerrilla movement to 1st Bobruisk guerrilla brigade to which had to "work" in vicinities of a city of Bobruisk. It was necessary to change a disposition place again. During moving Liventsev has with own hand created a cliche for the new newspaper ?Bobruisk guerrilla? which soon began to be printed on отрядной printing houses. In 1943 the brigade of Liventseva "has endured" some blockade. The enemy environment was necessary to break through 4 times. Especially difficult fights were developed in May, 1943. Having broken through a ring, Liventsev has withdrawn a brigade again in October area. ?Rail war? the Brigade of Liventseva has begun summer of 1943 has received the site near Bobruisk. Within several nights all guerrilla groups left simultaneously on "piece of iron". All flied To air: rails, cross ties, bridges and arrows, and even the whole echelons overtaken in a way. In connection with approach of Red Army the brigade of Liventseva has started to make every possible difficulties to receding Hitlerite armies. On roads blockages and ambushes became, bridges were destroyed, the stolen property was selected at Germans. The brigade of Liventseva kept under observation Bobruisk, Osipovichi, Zhlobin. At station Osipovichi 2 magnetic mines on tanks with fuel have been put. In the neighbourhood there were some more echelons. Really the fiery enchanting spectacle soon has begun. Here the list of destructions: 5 steam locomotives are damaged, have burnt down 23 platforms with gasoline, 8 tanks with aviaoil, 30 cars with shells, 33 cars with aerial bombs, 15 cars with products, 8 tanks, the post, a building of depot and warehouses with coal are put out of action. On December, 25th, 1943 around settlement Parichi guerrillas have met the Soviet military investigation. The brigade of colonel Liventseva held the fort some days on a site of the "present" front, the main forces of Red Army were not tightened yet. 1st Bobruisk guerrilla brigade became worthy replenishment to household troops of 1st Belarus front. V.I.Liventsev has been selected by the secretary of the Central Committee of Komsomol of Belarus. The decree of Presidium of the Supreme body of the USSR from January, 1st, 1944 for courage and the heroism shown at performance of tasks in back of the opponent, and for special merits in development of guerrilla movement in Belarus to Victor Ilichu Liventsevu had been appropriated a rank of the Hero of Soviet Union with delivery of an award of Lenin and a medal ?Gold Star? (№ 2631). With 1944 for 1950 V.I.Liventsev worked as the secretary, the second secretary of Central Committee LKSM of Belarus. In 1952 has ended republican партшколу, then in 1955 - the Minsk teacher training college of a name of M.Gorkogo. From 1958 20 years was the chairman of the State Committee on physical training and sports БССР. With 1978 for 1986 worked operating affairs of Central Committee KP of Belarus. A number of congresses КПБ it was selected the candidate for members of the Central Committee, at XXIV congress ? a member of Central Committee KPB. It was selected the deputy of Supreme body БССР 5 - 10 convocations. The author of the book "Guerrilla edge", published in Minsk in 1983. Lives in Minsk. V.I.Liventsevu appropriates ranks: ?the Honored worker of physical training БССР?, ?the Honourable citizen of Bobruisk?. "The honour Sign", many medals, and also Certificates of honour of Supreme body БССР is awarded by Lenin's 2 awards, 2 awards of the Red Banner, awards of a Patriotic War of 1st degree, "For service to the Native land in Armed forces of the USSR" III degree, the Labour Red Banner, Friendship of the people.So probably NOT him in your photo. Edited August 31, 2008 by Ed_Haynes
Ferdinand Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 (edited) I think that's our guy - HSU, 2 Lenins, 2 Red Banners, Red Banner of Labor, Badge of Honor, Friendship of Peoples, exactly what we can see on the picture. He must have left his screwbacks at home to save his suit. :beer: Edited August 31, 2008 by Ferdinand
Ed_Haynes Posted August 31, 2008 Posted August 31, 2008 I think that's our guy - HSU, 2 Lenins, 2 Red Banners, Red Banner of Labor, Badge of Honor, Friendship of Peoples, exactly what we can see on the picture. He must have left his screwbacks at home to save his suit. Good point. But I think his suit is long lost anyway on the left side, why not trash the right too?Seems to be still living?
paddywhack Posted September 1, 2008 Author Posted September 1, 2008 i reckon it is to as i swear he has the partisan 1st and s2nd class on him to!!!! nice one lads!! :beer:
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