Imperial Russia Order of St. Catherine

[Claudius]

Hello;

Does anyone have any information and maybe a photo of the Order of St. Catherine? My Werlich and Durov books don't seem to cover that one.

For merit or service?

How was it earned?

Number awarded?

Thank you,

-Claudius

[paul wood]

Hello;

Does anyone have any information and maybe a photo of the Order of St. Catherine? My Werlich and Durov books don't seem to cover that one.

For merit or service?

How was it earned?

Number awarded?

Thank you,

-Claudius

You must have a different Durov and Werlich to me Durov p. 146-50 numbers awarded given. Werlich 1968 p. 4-6 (illustrated), 2nd edition also p. 4-6. I would be intersted to know what editions of Werlich and Durov you have if it doesn't St Catherine, they must be both major rarities.

Paul

[Alex K]

Hello;

Does anyone have any information and maybe a photo of the Order of St. Catherine? My Werlich and Durov books don't seem to cover that one.

For merit or service?

How was it earned?

Number awarded?

Thank you,

-Claudius

You could try here

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h...l%3Den%26sa%3DG

A couple of pictures

[Alex K]

This is in the British Royal Family's collection, presumably awarded to one of the esteemed individuals

[Ulsterman]

According to the Wall St. Journal, one sold at Sotheby's in 1999 for $95,170 to a German collector.

Interestingly, a famous Russian specialist was quoted in the "Object of the Week" article by Ken Bensinger as stating that only 12 women could belong to the Order at one time, aside from the imperial Russian royal house.

Edited September 17, 2008 by Ulsterman

[Claudius]

Hello again,

I was looking for the order/medal that goes with the Order of St. Catherine with a light blue ribbon w/ two thin, pale-yellow stripes. (see the website below)

This website shows a ribbon color for St. Catherine that is light blue ribbon w/ two thin, pale-yellow stripes. It also shows the red ribbon with two thin yellow stripes with the notation that after 1717 is when they made the change.

It's the medal (1st & 2nd class) that goes on this light blue w/ two thin, pale-yellow stripes ribbon that I'm looking for.

http://www.medals.lava.pl/ru/ru1.htm

[Great Dane]

When the Order of St. Catherine was first established, the ribbon was white with gold stripes at the edges. This later changed to red with silver stripes as on the pictures above. It's unclear to me whether the motto was also present on the early type ribbon.

There was a Grand Cross Badge, a Grand Cross Star and a Lesser Cross Badge (same as the Grand Cross badge but with fewer diamonds - awarded without a star and a sash).

The badge itself may have undergone some changes in appearance during its time (after all, it was 'sleeping' for 70 years)

I don't know of any medals...

/Mike

[Claudius]

"WHITE"!?! with gold stripes. That explains a lot. My monitor makes it look more light blue. Then I don't know what this medal is? I thought I could figure it out on my own, but I think I ran up a dead end on this St. Catherine guess.

I can't seem to download it to this forum. If anyone wants to see the obverse side of the medal I will email the word doc with the inserted picture for your curiosity. It's basically a "coin" shape bronze medal with the relief of St. George slaying a dragon underneath his horse. (and I know what immediately comes to mind, but it doesn't have the same orientation as the St. George Medal) The St. George Medal has the horse and rider facing left. This medal has them facing right.

[Carol I]

This badge was in a royal palace in Copenhagen.

[Alex K]

"WHITE"!?! with gold stripes. That explains a lot. My monitor makes it look more light blue. Then I don't know what this medal is? I thought I could figure it out on my own, but I think I ran up a dead end on this St. Catherine guess.

I can't seem to download it to this forum. If anyone wants to see the obverse side of the medal I will email the word doc with the inserted picture for your curiosity. It's basically a "coin" shape bronze medal with the relief of St. George slaying a dragon underneath his horse. (and I know what immediately comes to mind, but it doesn't have the same orientation as the St. George Medal) The St. George Medal has the horse and rider facing left. This medal has them facing right.

Hi Claudius, your original request was for info on the ORDER of St Catherine, what you are describing appears to be a lower medal attached to the order, a different thing

regards

Alex

[Claudius]

Hello Alex K

Yes, thank you. Orders are different than medals. I should have used two instead of one

However, there is the ORDER of St. George and the Cross of St. George. Both of those use the same ribbon, but one is an enameled order (in the shape of the cross) and other is a one-piece medal in the shape of the cross. There are some wonderful photo examples on this forum for you to study how both an order and a lower medal can share the same ribbon. There are other examples of this happening as well. Imp. Russian medals usually use the ribbons from Imp. Russian orders. The ribbon chart bears this out. But I digress...

The medal I am trying to identify is hanging from a light blue (or white) ribbon with yellow (or gold) stripes. The closest match I could find was a St. Catherine Order ribbon. And that is of an earlier version. (The 20th century ribbon colour was Red with Gold stripes.)

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I was trying to identify the medal that would hang from a light blue (or white) ribbon with yellow (or gold) stripes?

The ribbon pattern/colour actually looks a lot like the ribbon used for the Imperial German St. Henry Order...but that REALLY makes no sense. (it is neither a Imp. German hanger, nor a St. Henry hanging beneath it)

[Claudius]

I managed to scan a photo of the medal. You can see some of the ribbon above although the colour is not clearly discernable.

Any ideas what this is?