A Couple of Iraqi Swords

[Sivart]

I thought I would post this picture of these swords we have had here at my COP for some time. One is in pretty rough shape, with wire used to reenforce the handle and the blade fairly rusty. The other looks newer, but the wooden scabbard is slightly cracked. Anyhow, here they are.

Sivart

[Guest IMHF]

I thought I would post this picture of these swords we have had here at my COP for some time. One is in pretty rough shape, with wire used to reenforce the handle and the blade fairly rusty. The other looks newer, but the wooden scabbard is slightly cracked. Anyhow, here they are.

Sivart

These are very old thank you for sharing them, they use these to cut them selves in the name a fallen profit. On top of the head or on the tounge with this type of sword. I have seen the shi'e Iraqis doing this in 2005.

Lorenzo

Edited October 3, 2008 by IMHF

[Ulsterman]

Those are VERY interesting swords, ESPECIALLY the top one.

Can you show us close up photographs of it (it's a "mamaluke" styled saber)?

[oamotme]

The lower sword with its double point is modelled as "Zulfikar" the double bladed sword of Imam Ali and there is an Iranian Order of this name which bear two crossed "Zulfikars".

Owain

[Sivart]

Sure thing, I will take more tommorow if I can.

Those are VERY interesting swords, ESPECIALLY the top one.

Can you show us close up photographs of it (it's a "mamaluke" styled saber)?

[Guest IMHF]

Sure thing, I will take more tommorow if I can.

I look forward to seeing them:

Thank you

Lorenzo

[peter monahan]

The top one looks to be of the type called a "tulwar" ("talwar", "talwaar") in India and was the standard arm of Indian cavalry from the Middle Ages on. The Persian name is "shamshir" and the Persian form has a narrower blade than a tulwar - which this one appears to have. Lovely pieces and many of the older examples have lovely handles and/or inscribed blades.

[Guest IMHF]

The top one looks to be of the type called a "tulwar" ("talwar", "talwaar") in India and was the standard arm of Indian cavalry from the Middle Ages on. The Persian name is "shamshir" and the Persian form has a narrower blade than a tulwar - which this one appears to have. Lovely pieces and many of the older examples have lovely handles and/or inscribed blades.

I like the top one, all over Iraq they sell swords that are old looking:

Lorenzo

[Sivart]

Here is a closeup of the handle, it looks like this used to be a nice looking weapon with the decorative nails used to secure the wooden grip

Edited October 4, 2008 by Sivart

[Sivart]

reverse of handle

[Sivart]

Inside of handle and pommel

[Sivart]

There are no markings on the blade that I could see, just sharpening marks and rust

[Sivart]

The only marks on the sheath are these diagional grooves which also appear in the remaining leather surround the wooden scabbard. I was also able to remove one of the metal hangars. If you care to see closeups of it let me know.

[Sivart]

last picture, of the entire blade. If you want different angles or more specific areas let me know

[Sivart]

Perhaps this thread would be better suited in the edged weapons area. If so, moderator, please move it as you see fit

Edited October 4, 2008 by Sivart

[Guest IMHF]

Perhaps this thread would be better suited in the edged weapons area. If so, moderator, please move it as you see fit

You are right it makes it easier to find things on this awesome site...

Lorenzo

Edited October 5, 2008 by IMHF

[Paul R]

That top one could be really old!! I would love to see a specialist's take on it!

[Ulsterman]

Well, it's not what i thought it was-but it's still a great old piece.