Soviet Hero question

[Ed_Haynes]

Does anyone have readily at hand the reference materials to say to whom Hero Star #4107 was awarded? Thae name in both Roman and Cyrcillic would be nice, if possible. Thanks.

You'll see later why I ask.

Edited October 4, 2008 by Ed_Haynes

[Christophe]

Hi Ed,

Hero Star #4107 is Никулин Дмитрий Егорович (Nikulin Dimitriy Igorovich) . Ukaz of 19.08.44. Death date : 10.10.44.

Cheers.

Ch.

Edited October 10, 2008 by Christophe

[Ed_Haynes]

Thanks Christophe!

[Christophe]

My pleasure. And, now, when will we see why you ask ?...

Ch.

[NavyFCO]

And I look forward to posting the story behind it...

Dave

[Ed_Haynes]

And I look forward to posting the story behind it...

Dave

Never having goptten the full tale myself, I look forward to it.

[Ed_Haynes]

And I look forward to posting the story behind it...

Dave

Never having gotten the full tale myself, I look forward to it.

If I post the "item", will that coax you out, Dave????

Edited October 7, 2008 by Ed_Haynes

[NavyFCO]

Never having gotten the full tale myself, I look forward to it.

If I post the "item", will that coax you out, Dave????

Hmmmm...perhaps...perhaps... :cheers:

[Ed_Haynes]

OK. Here it is. Whatever it is. Hardly a "fake", as it would fool no one. I know this may reopen the question of wearing copies (which I still do not think existed).

[NavyFCO]

Okay...before anyone goes off the handle with the "it's a poor fake made to decieve stupid people that was probably sold as a wearer's copy" theory, here's the story...

I was living in Russia in 1992. I was on the market, dealing with a seller from whom I regularly purchased Soviet awards (back when you could buy Red Banners for $12 a pop and such...) Anyway, he got this one in and wanted a whopping $20 for it. I asked him the history of it because it was obviously NOT a real HSU, but had been worn considerably and it was numbered. Turns out that he got it from the family of a HSU, and he believed it was the one that the HSU would wear as he kept his original in safe keeping (the medal is made of brass and is much harder than the gold of a standard HSU). It is also smaller than a normal Gold Star...perhaps the veteran was of smaller stature and it blended in better...anyway that's the story behind it and it was pretty weathered when I bought it in 1992, so it wasn't a recently produced piece. A "real" wearer's copy? Perhaps... a one off actually worn by a veteran? I wish I knew...

Dave

[Ed_Haynes]

Thanks, Dave!

-- Not a "fake"; no one would be fooled.

-- Obviously NOT any "official" wearer's copy. (Which I think we all accept never existed.)

-- Possibly a make-it-just-for-me wearer's copy?

Very interesting in any case. (I think.)

[Guest Rick Research]

Did # 4107 live a long life that would have made such possible? If he was killed in 1945, there goes the story....

[Ed_Haynes]

Frustration here. Based on Christophe's help, I cannot find this person at http://www.warheroes.ru/main.asp?l=15&pages=3 and following page.Maybe this is just my illiteracy at work?

[JimZ]

I should not pass ask this until Ed somehow manages to confirm the dates as I do not want to throw any doubts or strange conspiracy theories ...

...But I find myself asking ...

... what, if any, was the likelihood of a case of "Stolen Valour" in the USSR?... and what was the punishment for that?

Looking forward to how this HSU story will develop...

Jim

[JimZ]

Because I like you Ed.....

http://ilpilot.narod.ru/man/hsu_r/l/nikulin_de.html

But regretfully the story does not seem to add up as ...

Order was awarded 19.8.1944

But he passed away 10.10.44

So....?

Jim

Edited October 9, 2008 by JimZ

[JimZ]

Hi Ed,

Hero Star #4107 is Никулин Дмитрий Егорович (Nikulin Dimitriy Igorovich) . Ukaz of 19.08.44. Awarded on10.10.44.

Cheers.

Ch.

10.10.44 is the date he "perished" as I can see it.....

Some confusion here?

Jim

[Ed_Haynes]

Thanks. I am just interesting in understanding. But, as the wise old woman said: Curoiuser and curiouser.

[Christophe]

10.10.44 is the date he "perished" as I can see it.....

Some confusion here?

Jim

Hi Jim,

This is absolutely correct. 10.10.44 is the date of his death, not of the awarding, as I uncorrectly stated it.

I will correct my initial post.

Cheers.

Ch.

[Christophe]

And here is his bio :

Ch.

[Christophe]

Part 2.

Ch.

[Christophe]

So, it is interesting to see what will outcome from this story... In 2 month time...

Ch.

[JimZ]

Interesting indeed - but as Rick asked - how does a 'wearer's copy' get so worn down in so little time as award and death dates are not so far away!

The mind boggles.........

Jim

[Lapa]

Interesting indeed - but as Rick asked - how does a 'wearer's copy' get so worn down in so little time as award and death dates are not so far away!

The mind boggles.........

Jim

Jim,

That is, for one, because the wearer never wore this one...

Marc

[Ed_Haynes]

So how do we explain this? What do we think it is?

[Lapa]

So how do we explain this? What do we think it is?

IMHO, it is quite simply a replica star on which someone struck some SN. Over the years lying around and being handled, it got some wear.

Marc