Ed_Haynes Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 (edited) Does anyone have readily at hand the reference materials to say to whom Hero Star #4107 was awarded? Thae name in both Roman and Cyrcillic would be nice, if possible. Thanks.You'll see later why I ask. Edited October 4, 2008 by Ed_Haynes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 (edited) Hi Ed,Hero Star #4107 is Никулин Дмитрий Егорович (Nikulin Dimitriy Igorovich) . Ukaz of 19.08.44. Death date : 10.10.44.Cheers.Ch. Edited October 10, 2008 by Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted October 5, 2008 Author Share Posted October 5, 2008 Thanks Christophe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 My pleasure. And, now, when will we see why you ask ?... Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 And I look forward to posting the story behind it... Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 And I look forward to posting the story behind it... DaveNever having goptten the full tale myself, I look forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 (edited) And I look forward to posting the story behind it... DaveNever having gotten the full tale myself, I look forward to it.If I post the "item", will that coax you out, Dave???? Edited October 7, 2008 by Ed_Haynes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Never having gotten the full tale myself, I look forward to it.If I post the "item", will that coax you out, Dave????Hmmmm...perhaps...perhaps... :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted October 7, 2008 Author Share Posted October 7, 2008 OK. Here it is. Whatever it is. Hardly a "fake", as it would fool no one. I know this may reopen the question of wearing copies (which I still do not think existed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyFCO Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Okay...before anyone goes off the handle with the "it's a poor fake made to decieve stupid people that was probably sold as a wearer's copy" theory, here's the story...I was living in Russia in 1992. I was on the market, dealing with a seller from whom I regularly purchased Soviet awards (back when you could buy Red Banners for $12 a pop and such...) Anyway, he got this one in and wanted a whopping $20 for it. I asked him the history of it because it was obviously NOT a real HSU, but had been worn considerably and it was numbered. Turns out that he got it from the family of a HSU, and he believed it was the one that the HSU would wear as he kept his original in safe keeping (the medal is made of brass and is much harder than the gold of a standard HSU). It is also smaller than a normal Gold Star...perhaps the veteran was of smaller stature and it blended in better...anyway that's the story behind it and it was pretty weathered when I bought it in 1992, so it wasn't a recently produced piece. A "real" wearer's copy? Perhaps... a one off actually worn by a veteran? I wish I knew...Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 Thanks, Dave!-- Not a "fake"; no one would be fooled.-- Obviously NOT any "official" wearer's copy. (Which I think we all accept never existed.)-- Possibly a make-it-just-for-me wearer's copy?Very interesting in any case. (I think.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Did # 4107 live a long life that would have made such possible? If he was killed in 1945, there goes the story.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 Frustration here. Based on Christophe's help, I cannot find this person at http://www.warheroes.ru/main.asp?l=15&pages=3 and following page.Maybe this is just my illiteracy at work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I should not pass ask this until Ed somehow manages to confirm the dates as I do not want to throw any doubts or strange conspiracy theories ......But I find myself asking ...... what, if any, was the likelihood of a case of "Stolen Valour" in the USSR?... and what was the punishment for that?Looking forward to how this HSU story will develop...Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 (edited) Because I like you Ed.....http://ilpilot.narod.ru/man/hsu_r/l/nikulin_de.htmlBut regretfully the story does not seem to add up as ...Order was awarded 19.8.1944But he passed away 10.10.44So....?Jim Edited October 9, 2008 by JimZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Hi Ed,Hero Star #4107 is Никулин Дмитрий Егорович (Nikulin Dimitriy Igorovich) . Ukaz of 19.08.44. Awarded on10.10.44.Cheers.Ch.10.10.44 is the date he "perished" as I can see it.....Some confusion here?Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 Thanks. I am just interesting in understanding. But, as the wise old woman said: Curoiuser and curiouser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 10.10.44 is the date he "perished" as I can see it.....Some confusion here?JimHi Jim,This is absolutely correct. 10.10.44 is the date of his death, not of the awarding, as I uncorrectly stated it. I will correct my initial post.Cheers.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 And here is his bio :Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 Part 2.Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 So, it is interesting to see what will outcome from this story... In 2 month time...Ch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Interesting indeed - but as Rick asked - how does a 'wearer's copy' get so worn down in so little time as award and death dates are not so far away!The mind boggles.........Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Interesting indeed - but as Rick asked - how does a 'wearer's copy' get so worn down in so little time as award and death dates are not so far away!The mind boggles.........JimJim,That is, for one, because the wearer never wore this one... Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 So how do we explain this? What do we think it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 So how do we explain this? What do we think it is?IMHO, it is quite simply a replica star on which someone struck some SN. Over the years lying around and being handled, it got some wear.Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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