Bob Posted October 13, 2008 Posted October 13, 2008 (edited) Have made an overview of all my award doc's plus what I've seen here on GMIC:AWARD NAME DATE DECREEMedal for bravery Zyra Radhima 5.11.1953 1626Order for bravery Mehmet Refat Kodra 5.12.1955 2178Skanderbeg 3rd class Idris Razip Resuli 13.7.1959 2939Hero of People Shokhut Haxhi Lezhi 29.4.1963 3677MEDALJEN E PUNES SKENDER HAMDI SINES 9.10.1978 5776URDHRIN PER PUNE TE SHQUAR NE EKONOMINE BUJQESORE 3rd class XHEMAL RAKIP HOXHOLLIT 27.1.1979 5828Medaljen per sherbime te shquara shteterose dhe shoqerore Organization 26.4.1980 6185URHRIN NAIM FRASHERI 3rd class SKENDER HAMDI SINES 30.7.1984 6904Medal for distinguished labor in agriculture AGIM KHEVDET DANIT 24.8.1984 6907Medaljne per sherbim shumerjecar ne forcat e armatsoruaa XHEMAL JASHAR JAHJAS 24.12.1984 6939MEDAL FOR DISTINGUISHED STATE AND CIVIL SERVICES Zenun Rahman Precit 23.3.1987 7115Medal for distinguished labor in mining / geology Kadri Novruz Hitajt 11.5.1987 7125order of labor 3rd class FAIK BAJRO GRAMSHIT 20.11.1987 7175Medaljen per sherbime te shquara shteterose dhe shoqerore FAIK BAJRO GRAMSHIT 22.12.1987 7183Medal for Meritorious Service to the People Lumturi Shefki Vrapit 4.3.1989 7286Hero of Socialist Labor XHEMAL RAKIP HOXHOLLIT 13.11.1989 7335order of labor 3rd class AGIM KHEVDET DANIT 13.1.1990 7350Order 40 years PPSH FAIK BAJRO GRAMSHIT 4.2.1989 -Order 40 years PPSH Aleksandra Vasil Karajanit 16.10.1981 -Order 40 years PPSH Selman Kadri Cobanit 5.11.1990 -Order 40 years PPSH Omer Hasim Meros 16.10.1981 -Will get all the award names in English later. What's interesting... my hypothesis is that 1 decree equals 1 awarding (at least, I've yet to come across documents with the same decree number). This would imply only very, very few awardings! Roughly 200 per year. This would also explain why we see so few award documents. Perhaps only 7.500 awarded? Of course, maybe some medals, etc. were given away without a decree (or document for that matter).What's "good" to see is that the dates / decree dates are perfectly ascending. So probably awardings were all centralized in Tirana.Would appreciate if anybody with new docs could PM me:- award name- awardee name- date- decree...both to further expand on the list and, potentially, to reunite groups.Could somebody please make this a sticky thread? Edited October 13, 2008 by Bob
Bob Posted January 29, 2009 Author Posted January 29, 2009 Anybody with additional data points? :rolleyes:
Eric Schena Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 I wish I had some documents to add to this list, but they have been hard to come by for me. I may have a few scans of some, though, that were not in my book. I'll see what I can dig up.
Zaim Qyteza Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 Have made an overview of all my award doc's plus what I've seen here on GMIC:AWARD NAME DATE DECREEMedal for bravery Zyra Radhima 5.11.1953 1626Order for bravery Mehmet Refat Kodra 5.12.1955 2178Skanderbeg 3rd class Idris Razip Resuli 13.7.1959 2939Hero of People Shokhut Haxhi Lezhi 29.4.1963 3677MEDALJEN E PUNES SKENDER HAMDI SINES 9.10.1978 5776URDHRIN PER PUNE TE SHQUAR NE EKONOMINE BUJQESORE 3rd class XHEMAL RAKIP HOXHOLLIT 27.1.1979 5828Medaljen per sherbime te shquara shteterose dhe shoqerore Organization 26.4.1980 6185URHRIN NAIM FRASHERI 3rd class SKENDER HAMDI SINES 30.7.1984 6904Medal for distinguished labor in agriculture AGIM KHEVDET DANIT 24.8.1984 6907Medaljne per sherbim shumerjecar ne forcat e armatsoruaa XHEMAL JASHAR JAHJAS 24.12.1984 6939MEDAL FOR DISTINGUISHED STATE AND CIVIL SERVICES Zenun Rahman Precit 23.3.1987 7115Medal for distinguished labor in mining / geology Kadri Novruz Hitajt 11.5.1987 7125order of labor 3rd class FAIK BAJRO GRAMSHIT 20.11.1987 7175Medaljen per sherbime te shquara shteterose dhe shoqerore FAIK BAJRO GRAMSHIT 22.12.1987 7183Medal for Meritorious Service to the People Lumturi Shefki Vrapit 4.3.1989 7286Hero of Socialist Labor XHEMAL RAKIP HOXHOLLIT 13.11.1989 7335order of labor 3rd class AGIM KHEVDET DANIT 13.1.1990 7350Order 40 years PPSH FAIK BAJRO GRAMSHIT 4.2.1989 -Order 40 years PPSH Aleksandra Vasil Karajanit 16.10.1981 -Order 40 years PPSH Selman Kadri Cobanit 5.11.1990 -Order 40 years PPSH Omer Hasim Meros 16.10.1981 -Will get all the award names in English later. What's interesting... my hypothesis is that 1 decree equals 1 awarding (at least, I've yet to come across documents with the same decree number). This would imply only very, very few awardings! Roughly 200 per year. This would also explain why we see so few award documents. Perhaps only 7.500 awarded? Of course, maybe some medals, etc. were given away without a decree (or document for that matter).What's "good" to see is that the dates / decree dates are perfectly ascending. So probably awardings were all centralized in Tirana.Would appreciate if anybody with new docs could PM me:- award name- awardee name- date- decree...both to further expand on the list and, potentially, to reunite groups.Could somebody please make this a sticky thread?Dear Bob,The standard procedure was to emeted a decree for any awarded person. There are some cases, specialy during 1945-1960) of emeted a group decree. After that period, for any decoration emeted, exist a decree. In Albania does not exist the mode to give decorations without decree.Regards,Artan
Bob Posted January 31, 2009 Author Posted January 31, 2009 Thanks Artan - excellent piece of info "from the source" which confirms that truly awarded orders/medals are very very few and therefore the documents are quite rare (and a lot of the awards on the market are actually left over stock). For Albania orders/medals enthusiasts, this'll be the next area of focus I suspect - getting the award documents which (hopefully) allow for research in the (military) archives at some point.
albania Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 Thanks Artan - excellent piece of info "from the source" which confirms that truly awarded orders/medals are very very few and therefore the documents are quite rare (and a lot of the awards on the market are actually left over stock). For Albania orders/medals enthusiasts, this'll be the next area of focus I suspect - getting the award documents which (hopefully) allow for research in the (military) archives at some point.hello!Artan pyetja ime eshte nese numri i dekretit paraardhes ose pasardhes perfaqesonte nje dekorate tjeter domosdoshmerisht apo nje dekret cfaredo te kuvendit?my question for my friend Artan is whether the previous and succesive decree number belonged to another award neccesary. or to any common decree issued not related to awarding?
Zaim Qyteza Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 hello!Artan pyetja ime eshte nese numri i dekretit paraardhes ose pasardhes perfaqesonte nje dekorate tjeter domosdoshmerisht apo nje dekret cfaredo te kuvendit?my question for my friend Artan is whether the previous and succesive decree number belonged to another award neccesary. or to any common decree issued not related to awarding?Dear captain,Dekretet e dekorimeve ishin ne te njeten rradhe me dekretet e tjera dhe jo si renditje apo rregjister me vehte. Pra, psh dekreti 234 mund te ishte dekorim, dekreti 235 mund te ishte emerim, dekreti 236 shpallje ligji, dekreti 237 prape dekorim, e keshytu me rradhe. Regards, Artan
Elmar Lang Posted February 10, 2009 Posted February 10, 2009 Hello,Excellent contribution from Artan!I've recently added to my Albanian collection a Skanderbeg III Class, with number "3444". Is there any chance to know something more about its recipent and date of award?Best wishes,Enzo (Elmar Lang)
Bob Posted February 10, 2009 Author Posted February 10, 2009 Hello Elmar,Could you show a scan of your award in the relevant thread please? It's the highest numbered one I've heard of so am curious.I will leave it to the captain to give us hope for research :cheers:
Bob Posted February 11, 2009 Author Posted February 11, 2009 Stealing from an email exchange with the captain:Until 1949- All awards were given by certificate number ( no decree )- Observed numbers range from 1686 to 5473- One certificate number = one awardStarting 1950- Awards were given by a decree number (no more certificates) with one decree corresponding to many awards and thus also awarded persons- It appears the decrees started to be numbered fresh again rather than continue from the last known certificate number- Open question: decree numbers ONLY relate to awards or are also interspersed with decrees e.g. to build a bridge somewhere, defend against the pending invasion of Albania by foreign powers, etc.?- A known example is medal for bravery and medal of liberation given to the same person with the same decree number 1948 date 25.10.1954- Based on my list, roughly 7000 of these decree numbers (thus a multitide of actual awardings but unclear how many)Starting ?- One decree corresponding with one award
albania Posted February 11, 2009 Posted February 11, 2009 - Open question: decree numbers ONLY relate to awards or are also interspersed with decrees e.g. to build a bridge somewhere, defend against the pending invasion of Albania by foreign powers, etc.?the answer to this question was answered by Mr. Lame . According to my documents the decrees started after the 1950 and one award one decree started after 1959?????the decrees issued by Presidium of Peoples Assembly were generic so each decree corresponded possibly to eg a bridge or an award and so on.even though is still difficult to get a definite number of the awarded persons we now have an idea.
Bob Posted February 11, 2009 Author Posted February 11, 2009 Yep, let's say around 6000-7000 during the first period (1 certificate = 1 award) and for arguments sake another 7.000 during the second period (decrees will have multiple awards (impossible to say how often this occured, not many award doc's and even more rare to find them with same decree nr) but there'll also be decress on topics nothing to do with awards... which would imply potentially 15.000 awardings. If we assume the third period is post-socialist then we have a decent guesstimate for the area of our collecting interest. Best thing would be: more documents, and research! :jumping:
Bob Posted February 27, 2009 Author Posted February 27, 2009 Interestingly enough, I dived into my collection of awards documents and found an odd case:- award document with the phrase "certificate" on it- yet ALSO with the reference to a decree number (in the same spot as where other "certificate" documents have a number (e.g. 1234) this document has "1234 i dekretit")Hmmm :speechless:
Bob Posted March 17, 2009 Author Posted March 17, 2009 Is it just me, or does that name sound Russian? Would be very interesting to get the translation of the reasons for awarding! :jumping:
Zaim Qyteza Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Is it just me, or does that name sound Russian? Would be very interesting to get the translation of the reasons for awarding! Dear Bob,Certainly that the colonel is Soviet one. During the years 1947-1960, a number of Soviet officials, was in Albania as instructors and specialists near the units of the Albanian army.The text of certificate said: ?FOR UNTIRING WORK AND AKTIVITY TO ENFORCE THE POLITICAL-MILITARY PREPARATION AND THE FIGHTING ALERT OF THE UNITS OF THE ALBANIAN PEOPLE?S ARMY?.
Bob Posted October 30, 2009 Author Posted October 30, 2009 Below an update. The first two awards actually are with certificates while the rest are with decrees. This provides tentatively a range: - certificates from 1 (?) - roughly 2500 - decrees from 1 (?) - 7350? For the decreed ones, it's clear the nr of decree increases in line with increase in date of awarding so these must have all been centrally adminstered in Tirana. The lengthy awarding period for the Order of 40 years PPSH is intriguing. AWARD NAME DATE DECREE Medaljen e Trimerise Esat Ismail Elmazi 23.xx.1949 5473 Medaljen e Trimerise Ali Rexha 7.xx.1947 2525 Medal for bravery Zyra Radhima 5.11.1953 1626 Urdherin Ylli I Kuq Esat Ismail Elmazi 21/06/1954 1885 Medaljen e Climirit Abaz Ramiz Habibaj 25.10.1954 1948 Medaljen e Trimerise Abaz Ramiz Habibaj 25.10.1954 1948 Order for bravery Mehmet Refat Kodra 5.12.1955 2178 Skanderbeg 3rd class Idris Razip Resuli 13.7.1959 2939 Medal of Labor ? 11.12.1961 3597 Hero of People Shokhut Haxhi Lezhi 29.4.1963 3677 Medal For Military Service Xhemal Zenel Dervishi 1/07/1968 4410 Medal for state and civic services ? 1.11.1969 4564 Medaljen Sherbimit Ushtarak Agron Shefit Cunit 20.11.1974 5214 Medal For Exemplary Work in Mining and Geology Hasan Xhevdet Hasani 12/08/1974 5249 MEDALJEN E PUNES SKENDER HAMDI SINES 9.10.1978 5776 URDHRIN PER PUNE TE SHQUAR NE EKONOMINE BUJQESORE 3rd class XHEMAL RAKIP HOXHOLLIT 27.1.1979 5828 order per pune te shquar ne menieri dhe gjeologji t klasset II Eleni Gjino Kutundit 27.10.1979 5996 Medaljen per sherbime te shquara shteterose dhe shoqerore Organization 26.4.1980 6185 Medaljen per sherbime te shquara shteterose dhe shoqerore Eleni Gjino Kutundit 7.5.1983 6770 URHRIN NAIM FRASHERI 3rd class SKENDER HAMDI SINES 30.7.1984 6904 Medal for distinguished labor in agriculture AGIM KHEVDET DANIT 24.8.1984 6907 Medal For Distinguished State and Civic Services Ollga Aleks Selenices 7/09/1984 6911 Medal for Good Service to the People Serjan Beqir Balliut 1.11.1984 6920 Medaljne per sherbim shumerjecar ne forcat e armatsoruaa XHEMAL JASHAR JAHJAS 24.12.1984 6939 Medal of Labour Liljana Koco Cakulit 3/12/1985 7008 MEDAL FOR DISTINGUISHED STATE AND CIVIL SERVICES Zenun Rahman Precit 23.3.1987 7115 Medal for distinguished labor in mining / geology Kadri Novruz Hitajt 11.5.1987 7125 Order of Labor Class III Shaqir Sherif Zajmit 25/07/1987 7140 order of labor 3rd class FAIK BAJRO GRAMSHIT 20.11.1987 7175 Medaljen per sherbime te shquara shteterose dhe shoqerore FAIK BAJRO GRAMSHIT 22.12.1987 7183 Medal for Meritorious Service to the People Lumturi Shefki Vrapit 4.3.1989 7286 Hero of Socialist Labor XHEMAL RAKIP HOXHOLLIT 13.11.1989 7335 order of labor 3rd class AGIM KHEVDET DANIT 13.1.1990 7350 Medal Naim Frasheri Kico Rrapi Gjates 13/01/1990 7350 Order 40 years PPSH Aleksandra Vasil Karajanit 16.10.1981 - Order 40 years PPSH Neim Adem Xhanit 16/10/1981 - Order 40 years PPSH Omer Hasim Meros 16.10.1981 - Order 40 years PPSH FAIK BAJRO GRAMSHIT 4.2.1989 - Order 40 years PPSH Selman Kadri Cobanit 5.11.1990 -
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