Vatjan Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 Ok, here's the latest info update.For those who want I have nice little XL sheets combining all the info I have, sent me a PM with your email and I'll sent it to you.Order of the Red Labour Banner2845 awarded 1/12/19603809 awarded 28/4/1980Order of Military Merit4836 awarded 15/7/1985 to Dar'zabii Tsalaankhuu6885 awarded 28/8/19958068 awarded 9/8/1999Order of the Polar Star1162 awarded 17/10/19516453 awarded 10/11/195614292 awarded 3/6/1971Order for Mother's Glory 1st class33062 awarded 17/2/1979Order for Mother's Glory 2nd class39895 awarded 4/3/196461823 awarded 8/2/1969145718 awarded 18/??/1985Honorary Labour Medal9393 awarded 13/11/195611032 awarded 6/11/195617040 awarded 7/7/196623159 awarded 4/8/1976Friendship medal 4086 awarded in 1971 to Willy Stoph President DDR
Vatjan Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 And there is more:Serial number new lows and highsOrder of the red Combat BannerT1 new high 2789T1 3rd award new high 157T1 4th award new low 10 new high 83Medal for combat ServiceT1V2 new low 1795 (Screwback - cloth ribbon - hand engraved serial number NOT preceded by "N?")Honorary Labour medalT2V2 low 21874 high 36295 (Pinback - cloth ribbon - Cyrillic inscription - rotating tool serial number)Medal 40th anniv MPRnew low 00876Friendship medalnew high 11852Virginlands medalnew low 00031Distinguished herdsmanflatback variant low 4164 high 4431Distinguished Mongolian KGB employeenew high 975Udarnik badgenew high 4757That's all for todayI hope this may be of use to youJan
Stogieman Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 Hi Jan, thanks for your endless labours on this. Do you know Kari Virkkala? He is maintaining a database of award numbers as well.
Guest Rick Research Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 And yet there seems always to be some "back and forth" on ALL of these, with higher numbers awarded before lower numbers... what a mess!!!
Vatjan Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 Hi Jan, thanks for your endless labours on this. Do you know Kari Virkkala? He is maintaining a database of award numbers as well. Yes, I know him, we exchange info on a regular basis Jan
Vatjan Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 And yet there seems always to be some "back and forth" on ALL of these, with higher numbers awarded before lower numbers... what a mess!!!Although, they usually follow a quiet good chronology I must admit Polar Stars are particulary chaotic and now the Honorary Labour medal is going off the straight and narrow as well. Seeing that the problem only occurs with the civil (or mixed) awards, I suppose that a probable explanation might be, that batches of these awards were send to the different provinces and thus some were awarded, locally, before others. Jan
Ed_Haynes Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 OK, I am still trying to sort these Mongolian things out, and losing, badly. In my latest effort, I have tried to come up with a sort of "checklist", by type, by serial numbers, and by date. This is VERY preliminary and I am sure very wrong in places. But I have reached a critical mass of confusion and wanted to share this delightful state with the brotherhood here.Help!!!!!!!!!!!Get the checklist: http://faculty.winthrop.edu/haynese/Mongol...20checklist.pdf(Cannot upload it here, sorry.)
Ed_Haynes Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 I have gotten good off-list information from several of our forum's denizens, and shall be updating. Will do so when I get brave enough to think again about the Polar Star, that is!
Vatjan Posted January 24, 2006 Posted January 24, 2006 I have gotten good off-list information from several of our forum's denizens, and shall be updating. Will do so when I get brave enough to think again about the Polar Star, that is!Hi Ed,This might interest you: 11.07.2005 CHINGGIS DECORATION PRESENTED TO THE FIRST PRESIDENT Ulaanbaatar, /MONTSAME/. The President of Mongolia, Mr. N.Enkhbayar has presented the Chinggis decoration to the first Mongolian President P.Ochirbat. On June 24, 2005, the former President Mr. N.Bagabandi issued an order to present the decoration to Mr. P.Ochirbat for his valuable contribution to the strengthening the independence, sovereignty, and the national solidarity of Mongolia, the approval of the new Mongolian Constitution, the socio-economic reforms, the establishment of humanitarian and democratic civil society, the development of the national culture and tradition, and the promotion of foreign relations. This was the first ever presentation of the Chinggis decoration named as the Great Chinggis Khan created for the 800th anniversary of the Great Mongol Empire. B. Bolortuya Also, in the list you compiled, there are a few mistakes that are copied from one of the first versions of a similar list I have compiled. I found out they were mistakes later, changed it on my list, but were apparantly never corrected on list of the person you got the info from.I will go into deeper detail later, but I can already say, that the type 2.1 of the Honorary Combat medal, (pinback / handengraved), is in my opinion inexistant and rather a type 1 with a new (repaired) pinback suspension. I've seen only 1 such award and the serial number makes no sense for a pinback, whereas Mongolian serial number ranges are usually fairly consistant.Anyway, thumbs up for the good work Jan
Gerd Becker Posted February 24, 2006 Posted February 24, 2006 Honorary Labor MedalType 1.1 (Ribboned screwback suspension; Uighur; SN with "No." prefix)Low = 214 High = 985Type 1.2.1 (Ribboned screwback suspension; Uighur; SN without prefix, seperately soldered ring)Low = 1569 High = 11953Type 1.2.2 (Ribboned screwback suspension; Uighur; SN with "No" prefix above the SN)Low = 10663 High = 10668Type 1.2.3 (Ribboned screwback suspension; Uighur; SN without prefix, ring part of the medal)Low = 12001 High = 16519Type 2.1 (Ribboned pinback suspension; Cyrillic; SN stamped)Low = 16785 High = 21354Type 2.2 (Ribboned pinback suspension; Cyrillic; SN rotating tool engraved)High = 35869Type 3 (Enameled pinback suspension; SN rotating tool engraved)Low = 737 High = 4892Type 4 (Enameled pinback suspension; SN rotating tool engraved; aluminum) IS THE SAME AS TYPE 3 , was a mistake from my part, there is no such thing as aluminum HLM'sMedal for Selflessness/Medal for Distinction in Prodtecting Public OrderType 2.1 (Two red bands and one blue band; SN rotating tool engraved)High = 1232Hope this helpsJanJan,regarding the Honorary Labor Medal, the most recent type seems to be from aluminium. I guess, you have seen it on ebay too, right? Gerd
Ed_Haynes Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 With massive help from Jan, the latest effort at sorting this stuff out. Many questions and confusions remain.http://faculty.winthrop.edu/haynese/Mongol...0checklist2.pdf
Stogieman Posted March 7, 2006 Posted March 7, 2006 Ambitious efforts and nice work Gentleman! Thanks!
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