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There are a few other KM badges apparently made by this same firm, with identical mid war type finish and distinctive fittings. There is some good evidence now to suggest that this particular series was made by Mayer.

Particularly happy to get this one as so far Mayer is not a firm that has been associated with making this particular badge.

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Gordon I'm curious, your new book project, you said it was for the surface fleet badges.. are you including these?

After Flak88 left them out of his flak badge book, the poor things will be getting a bit of an identity crisis if you leave them out again. :ninja:

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Gordon I'm curious, your new book project, you said it was for the surface fleet badges.. are you including these?

After Flak88 left them out of his flak badge book, the poor things will be getting a bit of an identity crisis if you leave them out again. :ninja:

C

They dont seem to fit anywhere...

They are not Flak, they are not Surface fleet and they are not ground warfare....

Maybe including them would be a good mercy act on Gordons part..... :-)

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They dont seem to fit anywhere...

They are not Flak,

No, No, No Noooooo. Completely wrong!

The official title "Kriegsabzeichen f?r die Marineartillerie" is a misnomer. The original foundation document from Grossadmiral Raeder makes it clear that this badge was instituted to reward those engaged in air defence and thus is directly analogous to the Flak badges of the Army and Luftwaffe

Just look at the points system for award of the badge - all to do with shooting down aircraft.

a) Shooting down an enemy airplane by heavy, medium or light Flak battery ? 2 points

b) Participation in shooting down an enemy aircraft in co-operation with several other batteries ? 1 point.

c) Crews of medium and heavy coastal batteries or other defence systems are considered on an equal basis to crews of light anti-aircraft batteries.

d) Successful operation of an 150cm anti-aircraft searchlight battery or a 60cm anti-aircraft searchlight, which created the conditions for a successful interception by anti-aircraft batteries or night fighters ? ? point.

e) Successful operation of radar equipment which enabled the shooting down of an enemy aircraft by anti-aircraft guns or by fighters, by supplying target location data, if the equipment is not specifically assigned to a heavy anti-aircraft battery (In such cases, section a) applies) ? 2 points

Given that after the fall of France the first obstacle enemy aircraft had to get past was the coastal batteries, not only were these guys Flak troops, they were virtually the first line of Flak defences.

Only with subsequent revisions of the criteria was the badge awarded for achievements other than shooting down aircraft.

So, yes , I will be covering them. I think so far we have around 15 different makers with muktiple views of each, some great wartime photos of them in wear and quite a few different variations of the award documents.

The book is now complete by the way just last minute checks on the text and the captioning of the photos to be done.

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