Nice little South African pair

[Colin Davie]

I've had these minis for a while, what is unusual (for me anyways) is they are named on the rim.. A.W. Scott.... is it common to find a name on minis from SA?

Cheers

C

[Riley1965]

Is his s/n there? If so you can get his Service Records. As for the name...I have a C. Smith researched.

Doc

[Ed_Haynes]

Miniatures (being totally unofficial) are always difficult and naming without SOLID provenance may not make it much easier. Still, a nice miniatuire pair.

[Colin Davie]

No provinence, bought from a small Edinburgh antique shop about 15 years ago... but not really bothered about that, simply a nice little pair to add to my minis.

I just wondered though if the naming of minis was the norm in SA.

Cheers

C

[Brett Hendey]

It is an unusual combination of medals. Single issue War Medals are uncommon; it means no service outside South Africa. A researcher might be able to track down papers, but without a service number and unit it would be extremely difficult. The roll for the SA War Service Medal is lost, so there is no chance of identifying Scott that way.

Regards

Brett

Edited February 4, 2009 by Brett Hendey

[NPGilbert]

No provinence, bought from a small Edinburgh antique shop about 15 years ago... but not really bothered about that, simply a nice little pair to add to my minis.

I just wondered though if the naming of minis was the norm in SA.

Cheers

C

Hi Colin

The first time I see naming on a miniature. It is not the norm to do that here in South Africa. Guess it was privately done.

Interesting combination though.

Keep well

Norman :lol:

[Chris Boonzaier]

In South Africa WW1 People like lighthouse keepers could get a single medal, harbour masters to I think.

[Colin Davie]

Thanks for the info and comments

C

[Chris Boonzaier]

I knew I had it somewhere. I got this in the military archives in Pretoria.

I would say that the engraving is original. Who would mount medals in this (very possible) combination? and engrave them WO rank and regiment?

I assume it was not a soldier?

[Chris Boonzaier]

I would even hazard a Guess that Mr)Mrs Scott had the BWM named between WW1 and WW2 and the other one after WW2?

[sabrigade]

Chris,

Thank you for a very enlightening response, now I understand the SA singles in my collection, mostly to the Cape Garrisson Artillery!

[Chris Boonzaier]

Chris,

Thank you for a very enlightening response, now I understand the SA singles in my collection, mostly to the Cape Garrisson Artillery!

See... now if they had made it over the GSWA border!!!

glad to help :-)

[Colin Davie]

I've never doubted the engraving myself, never even contemplated it being bogus, the engraving is nothing glamorous, or worth faking up. the guy I bought them off, I doubt he even knew about the engraving, or even looked at them ever, when I say antique shop, read more junk shop, they were in a big dish of buttons, other common mini singles and odds and sods... I paid I think ?5 for this pair and I don't think you'd get even the "A.W" letters alone hand engraved in that tiny size for ?5, just guessing of course, but I bet that engraving wasn't cheap to get done back then, if it was privately done, which now I know it was, A.W. must have been very proud of his/her service, as indeed he/she should. The guy in the shop must have got them for next to nothing . Great info I appreciate my little pair of minis a great deal more, and for that I am very grateful.

C

[Chris Boonzaier]

But notice the different styles.

I would say IF a collector had done it, they would have been the same.

my rough guess is the wearer proudly had his done after WW1... then got the WW2 medal, and tried to get it engraved as close as possible to the WW2 one.

Sometimes even a small pair is a nice pair :-)

This is very nice and I bet you could get the WW1 medal card.

[Colin Davie]

But notice the different styles.

"I would say IF a collector had done it, they would have been the same."

Agreed

"my rough guess is the wearer proudly had his done after WW1... then got the WW2 medal, and tried to get it engraved as close as possible to the WW2 one."

Could be the same engraver he took them to .. just years later? The "A" has a similar kind of curved right arm.

Sometimes even a small pair is a nice pair :-)

Aye, the grass is always greener.

"This is very nice and I bet you could get the WW1 medal card."

How do I go about that?

Any advice on what I can find out about a full sized Africa Service Medal WW2 704497 F.C. WILLIAMS?

Funny on reflection, I would have always considered myself a German medal collector, but though I've sold god knows how many German medals, I've never sold any of these, sure some psychiatrist would make something of it.

Cheers Chris, much appreciated what you've put in this thread

C

Edited February 4, 2009 by Colin Davie

[Chris Boonzaier]

Try Gordon Bickley at...

bickley@telkomsa.net

costs a little, but worth it.

[Ed_Haynes]

Yes, a lovely little pair. I have little doubt they were lovingly named up by the recipient. And it is true that it wasn't an easy job to do. As miniatures are neither officially produced (in more cases) nor officially named, this pair says a lot about the person. I hope you have some luck in tracking him down.

[Colin Davie]

Cheers Chris will look into that

C

[Chris Boonzaier]

To add to that....

[NPGilbert]

I would even hazard a Guess that Mr)Mrs Scott had the BWM named between WW1 and WW2 and the other one after WW2?

Hi Chris

I have to concur on that observation.

Cheers

Norman :cheers: