Flanders Cross Spanges

[Rod]

The Flanders Cross continues to fascinate me!!

Now I understand it has spanges.

I have four in transit to me.

FLANDERNSCHLACHT

FLANDERNSCHLACHT (1917)

DURCHBRUCHSSCHLACHT

YSER

Are there more I should be looking for?????

Many thanks,

Rod

[Naxos]

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Edited March 5, 2009 by Naxos

[Rod]

Hardy....

Many thanks .. just what I was looking for.

Rod

[Chip]

Hello,

The bar Hardy has shown is not from the Flandern Kreuz, but some other interwar medal. There is a list of possible bars for this medal. I thought I saw it here at one time. I know there was a Luftkrieg and a Seekrieg bar. Also, Antwerpen, Durchbruchschlacht, Yser, Westfront, Frankreich, Flandernschlacht, Somme, Champagne, Ypern. Perhaps others.

Chip

Edited March 6, 2009 by Chip

[HeikoGrusdat]

Now you are confusing everything.....

The Flanderncross have some clasps (9 I think...) I have shown here some time all together but I can`t find the link now... things like WESTFRONT or FRANKREICH are NOT for the Flanderncross !!!

The clasp shown by Naxos is for the Kyffh?usermedal.... another Vets organization medal - for this medal there are many more different clasps (112 I think...)

and there are more clasps in different styles for other Vets organization medals....

[Rod]

Heiko,

If you should find the link that shows all nine (9) spanges for the Flanders Cross, I would greatly appreciate seeing it.

Many thanks,

Rod

[Naxos]

Now you are confusing everything.....

The Flanderncross have some clasps (9 I think...) I have shown here some time all together but I can`t find the link now... things like WESTFRONT or FRANKREICH are NOT for the Flanderncross !!!

The clasp shown by Naxos is for the Kyffh?usermedal.... another Vets organization medal - for this medal there are many more different clasps (112 I think...)

and there are more clasps in different styles for other Vets organization medals....

Thanks Heiko for clearing it up - I corrected my post.

Perhaps we could start a thread on the various Bandspangen of the veteran associations

Hardy

[pinpon590]

Hello !

For me, there is 10 Bandspangen for the Flandernkreuz who are :

ANTWERPEN

DURCHBRUCHSSCHLACHT

DURCHBRUCHSSCHLACHT 1918

FLANDERNSCHLACHT

FLANDERNSCHLACHT 1917

LUFTKRIEG

SEEKRIEG

SOMME

YPERN

YSER

:cheers:

[pinpon590]

Pictures...

[Rod]

Hi Pinpon,

At this point I have seen three more in addition to your ten:

ARRAS

FLANDERN

VERDUN

That would make thirteen (13)

Rod

[HeikoGrusdat]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!

stop adding clasps to a medal where no clasps need to be added...... ARRAS FLANDERN and VERDUN have nothing to do with the Flanderncross!!!! Nothing!!!

@ Pinpon:

You are right!!! I forgot Somme - so there are 10 clasps to the Flanderncross and not more!!!

[pinpon590]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!

stop adding clasps to a medal where no clasps need to be added...... ARRAS FLANDERN and VERDUN have nothing to do with the Flanderncross!!!! Nothing!!!

@ Pinpon:

You are right!!! I forgot Somme - so there are 10 clasps to the Flanderncross and not more!!!

I think ARRAS, FLANDERN and VERDUN are for the Kyffhauserbund medal, and not for one else...

I've started a new post for The Kyff. Medal Bandspangen !

:cheers:

[HeikoGrusdat]

Arras Flandern and Verdun are known in some different styles for different medals, of course for the Kyffh?user medal as well...

[pinpon590]

Here is mine, with his "FLANDERNSCHLACHT" clasp.

:cheers:

[Rod]

I was going on the basis on flanders medals on dealer's websites shown with arras, flandern and verdun spanges.

Evidently, they were incorrectly attached.

Sorry to jump to conclusions.

TEN is then the correct number!!!!!

Thanks to all,

Rod

Edited March 5, 2009 by Rod

[pinpon590]

And more pictures (from http://www.medailles1914-1918.fr/)

:cheers:

[Chris Boonzaier]

It bears pointing out (For those more into collecting than history) that although we have it as the Flanders cross, it is more of a Marinekorps cross.

"The Somme" is not Flanders, but there were Marinekorps regiments there during the battle, hence a "Somme" bar on a "Flanders" medal.

There were also a handful of Navy dudes at Verdun, but obviously in such small numbers that no "Verdun" clasp was introduced.

best

Chris

[HeikoGrusdat]

....of course Chris - the term "Flandernkreuz" is just a nickname.... if I am right the correct name is

Ehrenkreuz des deutschen Marinekorps

[Chip]

Some time ago, I got a small grouping of bars from Germany. I had assumed that they were all bars from this medal, because the style was the same and all have the pebbled background to the words. Could someone please tell me then, what medal the Frankreich, Westfront and Champagne bars go with?

Thanks,

Chip

[HeikoGrusdat]

question of the style....question of the size.....

some of these were for the Ehrenkreuz f?r Frontk?mpfer (Hindenburg-cross) - yes........... this one had Spangen too

some were for many other medals made by jewellers and worn by former soldiers but NOT given out by any association....

same inscriptions were found for the clasps to the EK2 - but the material and style for these were complete different.....

open your minds - wide horizon....................... :rolleyes:

[Chip]

Heiko,

I have seen some of your Spange groupings and I suppose that you know as much or more about these as anyone on this forum. Perhaps you can help me with these. The top one is an example from the "Flandernkreuz". When the bars are enlarged to this size, you can see that rather than the crosshatched background of the Luftkrieg bar, the rest have dots (gekornt?). Any ideas as to what medals these belong with or is it anybody's guess?

Thanks,

Chip

[HeikoGrusdat]

..... it is always a bit "guessing" by answering these battle clasp questions only from seeing these photos and scans.... much more better is having them in hand !!!

But from what I can see here I would say N?2 + 3 are clasps for the Frontk?mpferkreuz and N?4 is a unknown (privat purchased) style for any vets award.....not a typical style from one of the big vet awards