SCHUMA ? Insignia, Headgear, Uniforms & Other

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Nice SCHUMA Tabs (!)

Hi John - Nice SCHUMA Tabs (!) CONGRATS !

From what I've read & from the Schuma photos which I've seen [granted, not that many!],

it seems that Schuma collar tabs were worn as identical matched pairs.

Yours, from a reliable Vet source, might represent what he gathered up from a supply

depot, or other source, IMO.

At any rate = NICE Schuma items. Thanks for posting them. Best, ... Dave L / dblmed

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Rank - of SCHUMA Sicherheitspolizei Plain [No Tresse] Black Right Collar Tab

I was thinking about John T's nice Schuma tab, so I reviewed Dieter Deuster's "Deutsche Polizei-Uniformen." If you collect Police or TeNo or Schuma – this book is a 'must-have' Reference for your library, although it is written in German only. I've translated the TeNo chapter & part of the Schuma chapter – more to go.]

Using Deuster's Tafel SM 4, page 428, as a starting base, I've added some of the SCHUMA Sicherheitspolizei ranking; John's blank tabs & real examples of the 4 shoulder board types.

John's SCHUMA Sicherheitspolizei Plain [No Tresse] Black Collar Tab is a match for the Right Sided collar tab, of the rank of SCHUTZMAN. [Deuster shows the SCHUMA Schutzpolizei ranks [Green], but it is my understanding that the SCHUMA Sicherheitspolizei followed the same naming pattern.]

Askold has a valid point also, IMO. It would be quite reasonable that 'excess supplies' of the Blank Black Collar Tabs might have been supplied to SCHUMA units, so that the Tresse could be added locally for promotions. [supply was certainly a real problem in the vast areas where the SCHUMA operated.] The Blank Black Collar tab could well have had 2 purposes – for the SCHUTZMAN rank & for use in future promotions.

The above follows the Dienstgradabzeichen of 1943-1945 [although I believe that it was also in use in late 1942 also]. The 'classic' 1942 SCHUMA ranking was by means of various series of a Silver Tresse "V" & Silver Tresse linear stripes (1-4) worn on the left lower sleeve, above the cuff. Interesting stuff !

SCHUMA collecting is a continuing study of history!

[Roman, Txs again for the variant Schuma Feuerpolizei Tab!] … Dave L / dblmed

Edited February 20, 2011 by dblmed

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RE: Variant SCHUMA Fire Police Shoulder Boards

Part of the fun of SCHUMA collecting is finding the unexpected! Just when you think that you "sort of" have the Insignias of this TR organization figured out – something previously unknown pops up.

Thanks to a keen eyed friend [Askold Txs!] I was able to add a 'variant' type of SCHUMA Fire Police shoulder board set to the collection. It is a not seen before type for me – but perhaps other collectors have come across it? It's not shown in Dieter Deuster's fine book with the SCHUMA chapter, so it's a bit of a mystery yet.

As is Attached Below:

A - SCHUMA Fire Police Boards A – represent the 'Typical' shoulder boards attributed to this branch. The base cloth [top & bottom] is Police Green, with Fire Police RED used for the piping & the swastika.

B - SCHUMA Fire Police Boards B – represents, IMO an 'Atypical' / unusual shoulder board set, also consistent with the Fire Police. For B, the base cloth [top & bottom] is BLACK, with Crimson-RED used for the piping & ROSA used for the swastika. The overall pattern is consistent with SCHUMA boards.

WHY - the observed Color differences?:

(1) It could well be a war time expediency of just using the available cloth materials – since fabricating SCHUMA Insignia was not at the top of the priorities list; or –

(2) The central swastika ROSA faded due to the dye-lot or exposure to light [but I rather doubt this explanation; or -

(3) The SCHUMA B shoulder boards 'could' have been manufactured to designate a yet unknown Fire Police function [i.e. Airfield Fire Police vs Municipal Fire Police vs. Rural Fire Police, etc., bzw.]; or –

(4) Another yet unknown function?

What is your Opinion & Thoughts on these SCHUMA Boards? ….. Txs, Dave L / dblmed

Edited February 20, 2011 by dblmed

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SCHUMA / Schutzmannschaft Zugführer "Leytenant´s" Combat Tunic # 1

Thanks to Abigor for spotting this quite special tunic! It was recently sold on the website of Peter v Lukacs

www.military-antiques-stockholm.com/

Here is what the Dealer has to say about this SCHUMA tunic:

"...The tunic is from start a Police field tunic, six button front. Rough police green wool with four patch-style pockets and straight-edge flaps. Breast-pockets have pleats but lower pockets are pleat-less, all in true police-style. Tunic is fully lined in brown drill cloth and have clear size markings with a good size "98" chest size.

The field tunic have then been modified with a dark green Officers collar added to the tunic, which looks to be of Police issue as it have the same cloth on backside as the police tunics use in the linings. Also all belt hook straps have been removed inside.

At the Collar the tunic have Zugführer (Leytnant) Collar tabs machine sewn in place. The collar tabs are made of black badge cloth and is surrounded with twisted cord of the same variety used by SS and LW. On the collar patches there are a tresse sewn all around it, both collar tabs are the same.

At shoulder there are shoulder boards made of black wool tops and field grey backsides, the boards have a Officers aluminum/silver embroidered swastika at the middle (one can clearly see the paper underlay it have been embroidered over) and have the same aluminum/silver twisted cord as the collar tabs.

On the left arm there are a SCHUMA officers arm badge in woven silver/silver threads (flatwire) on black rayon backing, it is machine sewn in place. On the left breast pocket there are loops for two badges.

Tunic show quite a bit of wear and have nap wear all over but specially at the highlighted points, it have some field made mendings and staining outside as well as inside, it is a tunic which for sure have been worn in field for quite some time. It is a "salty dog." ..."

Txs, Dave L / dblmed

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SCHUMA / Schutzmannschaft Zugführer "Leytenant´s" Combat Tunic # 2

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SCHUMA / Schutzmannschaft Zugführer "Leytenant´s" Combat Tunic # 3

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With regards to the authenticy of the SCHUMA tunic, Askold Posted:

http://www.wehrmacht...907#post4526907

Sorry to say, but this is a put together tunic (oh, big surprise with that dealer.) These tabs were sold on German eBay few months ago. Their construction is a bit shady so I passed on them. Someone bought them, and in few months, they magically turn into a tunic. The problem the dealer made, was putting extra piping around - such combination never existed.

I earlier asked about the backing of these tabs in question, as I am not that good with tabs:

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=450655

& also NickG Posted:

I was intrigued by this tunic on Peter's site... Sold quickly I understand... So its been assembled-restored like this with what turns out to be questionable collar tabs...

Interesting that its in Polizei green wool, combat cut with proper Polizei pockets (chest pockets pleated, skirt pockets plain, as it should be) BUT with a modified (early armed forces style) dark green collar, something Not seen usually on Polizei tunics!

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Schuma (Schutzmannschaften) Officer's M43 Field Cap.

Thanks to NickG & Askold!

Here is the Schuma Officers M43 Field Cap which the dealer 'stated' came with the previously posted Tunic.

What's your opinion of the Cap?

…Txs, Dave L / dblmed

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Schuma Führer SD / Sicherheitspolizei Bullion Sleeve Patch

The BeVo version [using Aluminum/Silvered wire threads] is the usual patch for the

Schuma Führer d. SD which is most often found.

A bullion version was also authorized [Deuster, Tafel Sm3 & text] for the ranks of the

Schuma Führer d. SD.

Attached are 2 examples of this uncommonly found Schuma sleeve patch. [DaveJ's nice

example was 1st seen on Post 49 & I've been searching for another since seeing it.]

http://www.wehrmacht...t=234390&page=4

Txs, Dave L / dblmed

[paulbear]

SO NOW WE KNOW WHO HAS BEEN BUYING THIS STUFF UP LATELY GREAT COLLECTION AND NICE TO SEE ALL TOGETHER

paul<br><br>ps is the badge on the cap not up side down ??<br>

Edited March 14, 2011 by paulbear

[TrondK]

I have this Lithuenian Schuma in my modest collection. It is a very interesting piece.

It came with clear traces of once had a ostfront ribbon, so I have very gently placed a ostfront ribbon in the exact position as the original ribbon once where attached. I have only used a couple of original threads of the same colour to softly keep it in place.

[Gordon Craig]

TrondK,

Very nice tunic. Very nice addition to the thread.

Regards,

Gordon

[TrondK]

Thank you Sir.

Do you still has the Ukrainian Schuma tunic in your collection mr Craig?

Here is another Schuma. A dear collector friend of mine traded me this one. And i am very happy to include it into my humble collection.

[dave123]

Did the Ukrainian schuma (front/mobile units) have mainly grey uniforms or the police uniforms with brown collars and cuffs ?

 Dave.