Luftwaffe DKiG Big Doc Luftwaffe

[DDD777]

Good evening Gentlemans !

Your opinions please about this Big DKiG ?

Thank you in advace !

Edited April 30, 2009 by DDD777

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PS: Don't mix with :

Hauptmann Kurd Peters 1. (F) /Aufkl?rungsgruppe 22 Awarded on October 20th, 1942

&

Major Kurd Peters Jagdgeschwader 300, got the knights cross on 29/10/1944 .

:cheers:

[Paul R]

I look forward to hearing the opinion of the experienced document collectors. Very impressive looking! Is the signature original or faximile?

[DDD777]

I look forward to hearing the opinion of the experienced document collectors. Very impressive looking! Is the signature original or faximile?

Hello Paul,

thanks for looking. I dont know the signature is original or faximile, because the doc's are with seller.

I have doubts about the originality and take 1 week time out, to chek it.

If you need a bigger scan's of the signature and the seal i can ask him for another scan's ?

Thank you in advance!

[DDD777]

Some letters about hiss missing in end of 41 ...

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3

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Major

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Kurd/t

[DDD777]

I look forward to hearing the opinion of the experienced document collectors. Very impressive looking! Is the signature original or faximile?

Seller let me know, that looks like faximile. Need you more big scans of the signature? Maybe by mail ?

[Robert Noss]

My opinion - the document is a fake.

As You can see on the photo, his first-name is KURT.

On the award doc KURT is written KURD - in german language there is no first-name written KURD.

In my opinion on such a high level document a typing error would not have been accepted by anyone.

Kurt Peters would have refused to take the document and the soldier who made the error would have had a nice week cleaning toilets.

Kind regards

Robert

[DDD777]

My opinion - the document is a fake.

As You can see on the photo, his first-name is KURT.

On the award doc KURT is written KURD - in german language there is no first-name written KURD.

In my opinion on such a high level document a typing error would not have been accepted by anyone.

Kurt Peters would have refused to take the document and the soldier who made the error would have had a nice week cleaning toilets.

Kind regards

Robert

Thank you Robert,

actualy they was many germans named Kurd:

http://www.ww2awards.com/person/25523

http://www.ww2awards.com/person/25522

...

and i mean error is on the picture.

Have you any other opinions to mean that the doc is face?

I have a 3,5 mb verry verry verry big scans of the seal and Fat Boy signature,

can sent by mail , if interesting ovcourse?

Thank you!

Regards!

[Robert Noss]

Hmmm.

While I would not trust a website made by non-germans about WW 2 awards, I found out that the spelling

KURD is north german, used in an area called "Niederelbegebiet" and does actually mean the first-name CORD.

Okay, new for me. Haven't heard that first-name so far.

I can not say much about the doc itself, it looks good to me.

Spelling of german names, places, units etc. is always the first thing I am looking at.

Many docs from outer-germany have spelling errors like KREIGSMARINE instead of KRIEGSMARINE, FUHRER instead of F?HRER.

So Kurd seems correct, okay.

Kint regarts

Roberd

[DDD777]

OK, here are two pages of 1 german site :

First one :

http://www.blitzgeschwader.de/html/ii__gruppe_kg_31.html

Peters, Kurd

And the second :

http://www.blitzgeschwader.de/html/ii__gruppe.html

Kurt Peters

Tjis is absolutly normal for Germany. They have a big various of dialect, actualy and after the Fonetic Dictionary of Herr Dudenn in 80s of XIXcc

But we are fluding here. The interesting is wath we do with the big doc of DKiG ? :beer:

Edited May 1, 2009 by DDD777

[DDD777]

No more opinions? :o

[Naxos]

I'm sorry to say - but I agree with Robert. I looked up all the information available to me regarding the Kurt Peters above, his name was never spelled with a d at the end. There was only one Kurd Peters (the one with JG300). To spell Kurt with d at the end is very unusual, so unusual that I believe no one would make that mistake in an official document.

The people who made this fake document obviously mixed up the two men and therefore ended up with the wrong spelling on the document.

Notice that in the real letters to his wife he is only referred to by his last name.

Edited May 2, 2009 by Naxos

[DDD777]

I'm sorry to say - but I agree with Robert. I looked up all the information available to me regarding the Kurt Peters above, his name was never spelled with a d at the end. There was only one Kurd Peters (the one with JG300). To spell Kurt with d at the end is very unusual, so unusual that I believe no one would make that mistake in an official document.

The people who made this fake document obviously mixed up the two men and therefore ended up with the wrong spelling on the document.

Notice that in the real letters to his wife he is only referred to by his last name.

Thank you for your looking and your time, but ok who is this :

http://www.blitzgeschwader.de/html/i...ppe_kg_31.html

http://www.blitzgeschwader.de/html/ii__gruppe.html

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...hwader/KG3.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kampfgeschwader_3

http://www.ww2.dk/air/kampf/kg3.htm

:speechless:

[DDD777]

The problem is that in 50% of the sources, doks, letters, papers.. etc, the Hauptmann of Stab II./ Kampf-Geschwader 3 is named KurD and awardet 22 Nov 41

and in the second 50% he is KurT and is awardet on 24 Nov 41 .

I have a enormous scans of the paper and my opinion - everything is normal ... but this confusion with the names and the dates !? I dont know what to do with this

And another interesting doc - Ehrenpokale list from 07 Okt 1941 - Kurd Peters :unsure:

Edited May 2, 2009 by DDD777

[DDD777]

The most interesting is that the same muddle ist with his nameseke Kurd/t Peters - Hauptmann Jagdgeschwader 300 and RK Holder

http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg300.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagdgeschwader_300

...

50% Kurt / 50% Kurd

[Naxos]

The problem is that in 50% of the sources, doks, letters, papers.. etc, the Hauptmann of Stab II./ Kampf-Geschwader 3 is named KurD and awardet 22 Nov 41

and in the second 50% he is KurT and is awardet on 24 Nov 41 .

I have a enormous scans of the paper and my opinion - everything is normal ... but this confusion with the names and the dates !? I dont know what to do with this

And another interesting doc - Ehrenpokale list from 07 Okt 1941 - Kurd Peters

I understand your situation - I'm not a document expert. You need to have a reputable document expert evaluate this. If he accepts the Urkunde as original, who cares about the spelling.

I hope this works out for you.

Regards, Hardy

[Naxos]

The most interesting is that the same muddle ist with his nameseke Kurd/t Peters - Hauptmann Jagdgeschwader 300 and RK Holder

http://www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg300.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagdgeschwader_300

...

50% Kurt / 50% Kurd

Yes, but most of the "muddle" regarding the spelling of Kurt/d was created after the war, when the two Kurt Peters name spelling was mixed in publications.

Edited May 2, 2009 by Naxos