Hugh Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 And now for Montenegro. I wonder if this is the medal they gave Jay Gatsby?MO01 Order of Danilo I, Knight (1861 Issue) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 Just the one for Montenegro. The rest will go into their respective fora: Russia, Austria-Hungary, etc. MO01 Order of Danilo I, Knight (1861 Issue) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 If you or anyone else has a better method for inventory control, I'd be very glad to here about it.What about jewelry tags? There are some with strings to be attached on the rings of the medals. Look for example on eBay in 'Jewelry & Watches > Jewelry Boxes, Cases & Display > Retail Packaging & Display > Tags, Price Tags'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) Very sensible! Thanks, I'll see about getting some. It's an obvious answer.Hugh Edited July 1, 2009 by Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 (edited) Greetings Hugh,Post No6: Breast Star 1st class Order of St.Sava 3rd type.Mark maker Huguenin, given between 1921-1940Post No10:Actually is Order of Takovo the name....Post No11: Translation of the inscription "Peter I- King of Serbia"Post16: It is scarce yes, more than 200$ a piece...Post20:It says "za revnosnu sluzbu" it is just cyrillic and you cannot read them easy.Hope it helps you a little.PS:Take out the stickes,I see the medals and my heart is bleeding... Best regardsEmanuel Edited July 1, 2009 by Emanuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 Greetings Hugh,Post No6: Breast Star 1st class Order of St.Sava 3rd type.Mark maker Huguenin, given between 1921-1940Post No10:Actually is Order of Takovo the name....Post No11: Translation of the inscription "Peter I- King of Serbia"Post16: It is scarce yes, more than 200$ a piece...Post20:It says "za redovnu sluzbu" it is just cyrillic and you cannot read them easy.Hope it helps you a little.PS:Take out the stickes,I see the medals and my heart is bleeding... Best regardsEmanuelThanks for this, Emanuel, I knew I'd get some good information by posting them here. I've copied the data into my notes. I'm going out to look for some jewelry tags to replace the stickers. Can't stand to hear about bleeding hearts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasaYU Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Very, very nice Hugh. Thank you . :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 1, 2009 Author Share Posted July 1, 2009 Very, very nice Hugh. Thank you . Thanks for your note, SasaYU. If you should feel an urge to translate some of the inscriptions, that would be wonderful. Also, can you suggest where I might find an order of precedence? I'd like to be sure they're displayed properly.Best,Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 Incidentally what are those pesky blue stickers on the reverse of your orders? In my experience these items tend to damage/corrode the order due to the chemicals in the adhesive and may lead to discoloration or other reactions such as bronze disease etc. Would they not be better off if they were removed before any (further) damage may be caused?JimI meant to ask earlier, what is bronze disease? I'm not a metallurgist, and have never heard of it. Perhaps others may also want to know. Thanks,Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasaYU Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Thanks for your note, SasaYU. If you should feel an urge to translate some of the inscriptions, that would be wonderful. Also, can you suggest where I might find an order of precedence? I'd like to be sure they're displayed properly. Best, HughNo problem Hugh. Yust say what are the inscriptions you need translated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 No problem Hugh. Yust say what are the inscriptions you need translated.Well, since you've offered so kindly, I'd love to know about the inscriptions in posts 6, 10, 12, 16, 17, 20, 22 and 24. (If you have time to do it)Many thanks,Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I meant to ask earlier, what is bronze disease? I'm not a metallurgist, and have never heard of it. Perhaps others may also want to know. Thanks,HughI would refer you to http://proteus.brown.edu/greekpast/4867 where there is a very interesting article which I am also reproducing hereunder"Bronze disease is a form of corrosion that affects bronze artifacts. It manifests itself as either a powdery green substance on the surface of the metal or as a warty or waxy film over the surface of an artifact. To the untrained eye, it may simply resemble a natural patina. However, while a patina is not destructive, bronze disease most certainly is. In reality, ?bronze disease? is not the result of bacteria, as the name would suggest, but the result of a complex chemical reaction. It is known as bronze disease because the reaction produces a green powder on the surface of bronze artifacts that resembles a fungus. This corrosion is much like rust on iron. This corrosion is caused by a circular set of reactions that involve the chlorides of a copper alloy and water. Bronze disease is triggered by the presence of water in this equation. It might take just one humid day to activate the reactions and begin the destructive chain. The actual chemical reaction is still not fully understood, though the chemistry of corrosion has been studied for some 150 years. However, the basic understanding of the process indicates that the presence of cuprous chloride in copper alloys reacts with water to create hydrochloric acid. The acid then eats away at the bronze, and in turn reacts with the copper. This second equation produces the visual manifestation of the disease: that dreaded green fuzz. Generally, the fuzz covers pockmarks caused by the hydrochloric acid. +H2O → 2HCl + Cu2O 2HCl + 2Cu → 2CuCl + H2 A basic representation of the chemical process.If left untreated, bronze disease will continue to eat away at the metal to the point of complete destruction of the artifact. However, several steps can be taken to both prevent and treat bronze disease. Among private collectors, there are several popular methods of stalling the effects of bronze disease, though none of these are permanent cures. Initially, the reaction can be stalled by removing the moisture from the piece. This can be done by placing the infected coins or artifacts in the oven on low heat in order to dry them out. Unfortunately, this often causes the surface of the metal to darken irreversibly. Additionally, this is certainly not a permanent solution; just one more especially humid day and the bronze disease will be off and raging again. Another non-permanent fix is soaking the afflicted piece in either distilled water or a solution of sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate. Again, this will only halt the reaction until the cuprous chloride comes into contact with moisture in the air. A more thorough solution to the bronze disease problem involves using benzotriazole (C6H5N3). This complexing agent is highly carcinogenic. It can be dissolved in ethanol to make a solution for soaking infected artifacts. Once cleaned thoroughly, the piece can be coated in a varnish, wax or a resin to prevent a recurrence of corrosion. This method is favored by the British Museum. However, microcrystalline waxes are risky for two reasons. Firstly, it is very difficult to reverse their effects without causing serious damage to the artifact. Secondly, if the bronze disease hasn?t been completely eliminated, the metal will continue to corrode beneath the lacquer. Consequently the bronze disease is completely untreatable, and the artifact will be lost. An alternative to a finishing lacquer is some form of humidity control. Below 39% humidity is ideal for bronze storage and display. Unfortunately, humidity control is very costly, and sometimes impractical in a display setting. However, the effects of bronze disease can be controlled with due precaution and careful periodic examination of artifacts. Works Cited Scott, David. Bronze Disease: A Review of Some Chemical Problems and the Role of Relative Humidity. The Journal of the American Institute for Conservation, Volume 29, Number 2, Article 7, 1990."Chemical reactions may start from humidity trapped in the sticker or even worse, from the chemicals used in the sticker's adhesive. Even leaving items to collect dust can cause damage as the dust itself retains humidity and can trigger off the reaction. And mind you, this does not only apply to bronze but also to iron. Hence, if those iron crosses have the same sticker on the core you could be in for a nasty surprise.More than bleeding hearts you might wind up with bleeding medals which will make them lose some of their beauty and needless to say their value in both intrinsic and collectable terms.Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 3, 2009 Author Share Posted July 3, 2009 Thanks for this, Jim. I suspect you may have opened quite a number of eyes today. Since I live in humid Florida, this is a very real issue. I would suggest that the post be pinned in some appropriate forum devoted to the proper conservation of our collections. Forgive me, but I haven't looked to see if such a forum already exists. Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 There is a specialised forum called the Preservation and restoration of military artifacts you should be able to find it at http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showforum=137 (if the link works!)There is some very interesting reading and I am sure that bronze disease has been touched upon a few times.Humidity is indeed a problem which is why you should pack up your lovely collection and send it to me by mail and I'll be sure to take good care of it for you!!! Special special treatment for the soviet section, which If I may, I am really looking forward to seeing close ups of!!!And I though St.Pete was St Petersburg.... Russia!! :blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Yup. Link works!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasaYU Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Well, since you've offered so kindly, I'd love to know about the inscriptions in posts 6, 10, 12, 16, 17, 20, 22 and 24. (If you have time to do it) Many thanks, HughHere they are. I just hope I got them right by numbers. post # 6 : Latin ? Trudom svoim vsja priobrete (With your work, you will accomplish everything) post # 10: Latin ? Za veru, knjaza i otecestvo (For religion, prince and homeland) post # 12: Latin ? Za hrabrost (For bravery) post # 16: Latin ? Kraljevina Srbija (Kingdom of Serbia) post # 17: Latin ? Za hrabrost (For bravery) post # 20: Latin ? Za revnosnu sluzbu (For zealous service) post # 22: Latin ? U spomen stupanja na prestol srbski 10 og avgusta 1872 Srbsko narodno pozoriste u Beogradu (In memory of coronation 10 th August 1872 Serbian peoples theatre in Belgrade) post # 24: Latin ? Za vernost otadzbini 1915 (For loyalty to homeland 1915.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 3, 2009 Author Share Posted July 3, 2009 There is a specialised forum called the Preservation and restoration of military artifacts you should be able to find it at http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showforum=137 (if the link works!)There is some very interesting reading and I am sure that bronze disease has been touched upon a few times.Humidity is indeed a problem which is why you should pack up your lovely collection and send it to me by mail and I'll be sure to take good care of it for you!!! Special special treatment for the soviet section, which If I may, I am really looking forward to seeing close ups of!!!And I though St.Pete was St Petersburg.... Russia!! Thanks, Jim,Just tried the link and it works fine. I think there's a lot for me to learn there. I'm very grateful for your offer to maintain my collection for me, and I promise to give it serious consideration...if only I could stop laughing! Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 3, 2009 Author Share Posted July 3, 2009 Here they are. I just hope I got them right by numbers. post # 6 : Latin ? Trudom svoim vsja priobrete (With your work, you will accomplish everything)post # 10: Latin ? Za veru, knjaza i otecestvo (For religion, prince and homeland) post # 12: Latin ? Za hrabrost (For bravery) post # 16: Latin ? Kraljevina Srbija (Kingdom of Serbia) post # 17: Latin ? Za hrabrost (For bravery) post # 20: Latin ? Za revnosnu sluzbu (For zealous service) post # 22: Latin ? U spomen stupanja na prestol srbski 10 og avgusta 1872 Srbsko narodno pozoriste u Beogradu (In memory of coronation 10 th August 1872 Serbian peoples theatre in Belgrade) post # 24: Latin ? Za vernost otadzbini 1915 (For loyalty to homeland 1915.)Thanks so much, SasaYU,You're very kind to take the time to do this. I'm sure others will also benefit from your help. Best,Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 3, 2009 Author Share Posted July 3, 2009 You know, I forgot to post my Yugoslavs. Order of the Crown, 1929, Knight (3rd Class) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 3, 2009 Author Share Posted July 3, 2009 Order of the Crown, 1929, Knight (3rd Class), Reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 3, 2009 Author Share Posted July 3, 2009 YUGOSLAVIA - Order of the Yugoslav Flag, Breast star only, 2nd class in silver, This one has an interesting history. I picked it up from an elderly Afghan gentleman in the open-air Kosar bazaar in Islamabad in the '80's. It was arrayed on a rug on the ground with a number of Afghan and Russian medals which were coming across the border in those days. I'd love to know how it got there - a award to a diplomat then serving in Pakistan, an award to an Afghan or Russian who had served in Afghanistan,...? Unfortunately, there's no number, so I assume it's untraceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 3, 2009 Author Share Posted July 3, 2009 YUGOSLAVIA - Order of the Yugoslav Flag, Breast star only, 2nd class in silver,reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 3, 2009 Author Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) And one for SasaYU. Sorry for the glare. Orden Za Vojne Zasluge Sa Zlatnim Macevima 1951 / Order for Military Merit, 2nd Class breast star in silver-gilt and enamel, EF with ribbon bar in case of issue Edited July 3, 2009 by Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Posted July 3, 2009 Author Share Posted July 3, 2009 Orden Za Vojne Zasluge Sa Zlatnim Macevima 1951 / Order for Military Merit, 2nd Class breast star in silver-gilt and enamel, EF with ribbon bar in case of issue, reverseThat's all for now.Hugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SasaYU Posted July 4, 2009 Share Posted July 4, 2009 Thanks so much, SasaYU, You're very kind to take the time to do this. I'm sure others will also benefit from your help. Best, HughAny time Hugh. You have a respectable collection and I find it very interesting. Keep on going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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