Are they good?

[noir 7]

I recently received those two German medals. I'm not a specialist for this country. Could someone confirm me if they are good or not.

1- Mecklenburg-Schwerin, MVK2 1914

Thanks

Noir 7

[noir 7]

1- Mecklenburg-Schwerin MVK2 1914, backside

[noir 7]

2- Preussen EK1 1914

[noir 7]

2- Preussen EK1 1914, backside

[noir 7]

2- Preussen EK1 1914, backside detail

[Kris D]

I'm no expert but they look good to me.

The "K" makers mark on the Iron Cross indicates - A. E. Kachert, Vienna.

Regards

Kris

[seeheld]

The MVK 2. class from Mecklenburg-Schwerin is an original.

And for information only: 'Your Backside' (FÜR AUSZEICHNUNG IM KRIEGE) is the Frontside. Mostly on medalbars is the MVK wrong mounted.

Regards Seeheld

[HeikoGrusdat]

............ I can see not the maker K on the iron cross but the maker KO - an who that is is still unknown...

[Motorhead]

Kris......."I'm no expert but they look good to me.

The "K" makers mark on the Iron Cross indicates - A. E. Kachert, Vienna." It makes my angry to read such a XXXXshit! That's a textbook "KO" Ek,stamped under the catch! Unidentified maker so far!

A.E.Kachert...Vienna.Well,I'm sure you can tell where you've got this name from...You are not the user "Papsack" from the Militaria321 forum? Who is providing a new book?

Edited September 8, 2009 by Motorhead

[Josef Rietveld]

Kris......."I'm no expert but they look good to me.

The "K" makers mark on the Iron Cross indicates - A. E. Kachert, Vienna." It makes my angry to read such a XXXXshit! That's a textbook "KO" Ek,stamped under the catch! Unidentified maker so far!

A.E.Kachert...Vienna.Well,I'm sure you can tell where you've got this name from...You are not the user "Papsack" from the Militaria321 forum? Who is providing a new book?

BTW the makers mark AEK stands for Alexander Emanuel Köchert

josef

[Kris D]

Kris......."I'm no expert but they look good to me.

The "K" makers mark on the Iron Cross indicates - A. E. Kachert, Vienna." It makes my angry to read such a XXXXshit! That's a textbook "KO" Ek,stamped under the catch! Unidentified maker so far!

A.E.Kachert...Vienna.Well,I'm sure you can tell where you've got this name from...You are not the user "Papsack" from the Militaria321 forum? Who is providing a new book?

You are quite right, it is marked "KO". I was mistaken, not everybody is blessed with 20/20 vision!!

With regard to "KO" being unknown - not according to this post on the http://www.kaisersbu..._EK1_makers.htm & other sources.

No I am not "Papsack" whoever he is and no I have not published a book.

In conclusion, I found the tone of your response offensive and ungentlemanly. It should be possible to point out an error without descending into a vitriolic rant.

Regards

Kris

[Deruelle]

hi,

KO is a known hallmark :

K : Kgl . Münzamt

O : Orden Stuttgart

Christophe

[Kris D]

hi,

KO is a known hallmark :

K : Kgl . Münzamt

O : Orden Stuttgart

Christophe

Hi Deruelle,

Can you clarify, I understood that "KO" = Königliches Münzamt Orden, Berlin and K.M.S.T. = Königliche Muenzamt Stuttgart ?

Regards

Kris

[Deruelle]

Hi Kris,

when I write Münzamt, it is the same that Muenzamt. The only difference is the umlaut on the u. About the other KMST I have no more information in my database. Sorry

It's probably the same house.

Christophe

[Kris D]

Hi Kris,

when I write Münzamt, it is the same that Muenzamt. The only difference is the umlaut on the u. About the other KMST I have no more information in my database. Sorry

It's probably the same house.

Christophe

Hi Christophe,

My references indicate that the two marks refer to seperate locations - "KO" = Berlin, KMST = Stuttgart.

Regards

Kris

Edited September 9, 2009 by Kris D

[Motorhead]

Kris,

I have to apologize!Mea culpa! But sometimes I can't hold me back.....To find a start-I know the makers list at Tonys page,but doesn't matter what he has listed the maker "KO" is to the day unknown.

I know the majority of the imperial collectors name them "königliches Münzamt Berlin".But you must know that there are no dies or documents left over who could confirm the production of iron crosses there.When I got Mike(RAO) right the biggest part of the dies have survived the war and are in the museum there!No traces that the berliener Münze ever made EKs!So much about "KO".

"KMST"was misinterpreted for a long time as "Kriegsministerium Abteilung Standesamt"......Doesn't make really sense.Uwe Bretzendorfer (the most of you might know his shop)has done a research in the Stuttgart archives and came out with the information that a) "KMST" is definitely the "königliches Münzamt Stuttgart and b)that theyve produced something around 6000 1st classes(from my memory,he's written that in the SDA)

What will be next-We all remember the lucky find of a 2nd class "CD 800",wrapped in the original paper with the name of the company on it-----Carl Dillenius! Otherwise we wouldn't know who has made these wonderful EKs.

For me are nerly all makers pure speculation-"WS" for example-Sounds simple,must be Wagner&Sohn. But why had Wagner used a simple scratchmark at the REOs and other orders? Just a simple "W"? And why do we find the "WS" in two totally different variations(both,the marking and the hardware)? Why are the irom cosses with the name plate at the backside different again? Why are there a few more variations in the 2nd class? "S-W" is Sy & Wagner....I belive it,but I can't confirm it.The types would match..What about "Fr"? Friedländer has used "FR"...so simply a mistake or a 2nd stamping tool?

Ups...different cores and frames-and,what about the "Fr W"?Qestions,questions and more qestions......

Again an apologize to Kris-the User Papsak at that bogus forum named the "KO"= Königliches Münzamt, Abteilung Orden, Wien

The link...for all of you who can read german

http://www.militaria321.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=586

And a link where you can purchase the book(I would invest my money better in one or two crates of beer for my garden...)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Book:German-Medal-Makers-&-Marks-1813--1957-Iron-Cross_W0QQitemZ150370008108QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090902?IMSfp=TL090902153001r2535

Micha

[Kris D]

Kris,

I have to apologize!Mea culpa! But sometimes I can't hold me back.....To find a start-I know the makers list at Tonys page,but doesn't matter what he has listed the maker "KO" is to the day unknown.

I know the majority of the imperial collectors name them "königliches Münzamt Berlin".But you must know that there are no dies or documents left over who could confirm the production of iron crosses there.When I got Mike(RAO) right the biggest part of the dies have survived the war and are in the museum there!No traces that the berliener Münze ever made EKs!So much about "KO".

"KMST"was misinterpreted for a long time as "Kriegsministerium Abteilung Standesamt"......Doesn't make really sense.Uwe Bretzendorfer (the most of you might know his shop)has done a research in the Stuttgart archives and came out with the information that a) "KMST" is definitely the "königliches Münzamt Stuttgart and b)that theyve produced something around 6000 1st classes(from my memory,he's written that in the SDA)

What will be next-We all remember the lucky find of a 2nd class "CD 800",wrapped in the original paper with the name of the company on it-----Carl Dillenius! Otherwise we wouldn't know who has made these wonderful EKs.

For me are nerly all makers pure speculation-"WS" for example-Sounds simple,must be Wagner&Sohn. But why had Wagner used a simple scratchmark at the REOs and other orders? Just a simple "W"? And why do we find the "WS" in two totally different variations(both,the marking and the hardware)? Why are the irom cosses with the name plate at the backside different again? Why are there a few more variations in the 2nd class? "S-W" is Sy & Wagner....I belive it,but I can't confirm it.The types would match..What about "Fr"? Friedländer has used "FR"...so simply a mistake or a 2nd stamping tool?

Ups...different cores and frames-and,what about the "Fr W"?Qestions,questions and more qestions......

Again an apologize to Kris-the User Papsak at that bogus forum named the "KO"= Königliches Münzamt, Abteilung Orden, Wien

The link...for all of you who can read german

http://www.militaria...c.php?f=2&t=586

And a link where you can purchase the book(I would invest my money better in one or two crates of beer for my garden...)

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...0902153001r2535

Micha

Hi Micha,

Apology accepted.

Regarding the book - German Medal Makers and Their Marks 1813 - 1957, as a novice Imperial Germany collector, in an effort to improve my knowledge I purchased this book some time ago. I feel it would be helpful to myself and others trying to improve their knowledge if you would consider posting a detailed critique of the book.

Regards

Kris

[noir 7]

Thank you for your help and all those informations.

Regards,

Noir 7

Edited September 10, 2009 by noir 7