Paul R Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I have this ribbon bar in my collection. What do you think?The problems I have are the swords present on the TR era Social Services medal and the lack of an HK... Unless the Social Services Ribbon is something else...Please post your thoughts.Thank you in advancePaul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul R Posted December 9, 2005 Author Share Posted December 9, 2005 close up of the swords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Those are classic WW1 style swords. They appear to be bronze, so I'm wondering if they have been PAINTED silver, which would be a no-no?Without the swords I'd have no problems with this as a total civilian bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Here's one to a cop with later swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 9, 2005 Author Share Posted December 9, 2005 Thank you for posting your bar Bob... I know that I saw this question addressed some time ago on the WAF, yet why would anyone have a Social Welfare medal with swords? Rick,I will have to take a better look of the swords in a better light later... I cannot tell if the silver is painted on or not.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 Hi Paul, your 2-place bar could be as simple as a WW1 Civilian recipient of the Prussian War Aid Cross.... as a civilian, no Honor Cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted December 9, 2005 Author Share Posted December 9, 2005 (edited) Thanks Rick, But waht do the swords represent? Edited December 9, 2005 by Paul Reck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted November 28, 2006 Author Share Posted November 28, 2006 Can someone tell me what the swords represent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Maybe it is a 3rd reich welfare medal and a small village tailor just slapped whatever swords he had in the box on...I will bet in a small village in upper silesia or lower bavaria noone would have cared what the local fireman/redcrossman/Luftschutzman had on his tunic.If it was a soldiers bar.... maybe then it would be more strict.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted November 28, 2006 Author Share Posted November 28, 2006 So, there was no standardized(authorized) reason for swords to be placed onto this ribbon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Well yes there was-- and that ain't it. That's why I reserve judgement and cannot account for it.Lots of monkey fingers did lots of things bad over many long years. No way to tell WHAT that is actually supposed to be from just the ribbons.I can't imagine a Volkspflege with Swords to some civilian with a WW1 Prussian War Effort Cross.. in that order and with nothing else.The metal parts on the bar are Feldgrau painted stock from 1916+, "used up" into the 1930s from leftovers. I suspect the Red Cross/Volkspflege ribbon is actually replacing something from WW1 that both the outfitter and the wearer thought was "close enough for gubamint work." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted November 28, 2006 Author Share Posted November 28, 2006 Man do I hate the little critter fingers!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 I suspect the Red Cross/Volkspflege ribbon is actually replacing something from WW1 that both the outfitter and the wearer thought was "close enough for gubamint work."We live in a village that, during the war, had some red cross, some firemen etc. etc. Our old neighbour, an bitchy old woman, has never been more than 50kms form the village (she is over 80).The village got tarred roads in the 50s, a doctor in the 60s, people used to keep pigs in their backyards until the 60s, and drive cattle through the village.That may not go a long way to explaining the swords on this medal... but I think that in places like this... the ass end of the 1000 year reich... maybe they just stuck things together that looked "good enough" on a local level...Of course... 100% guesswork, and you may never be able to prove the bar is good or bad... but I would say... grey area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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