EK 1914 EK1 outer carton question

[andy]

Can anyone tell me if the Imperial EK1 case was issued with an outer cardboard carton?. If so, does anyone have any pictures they could post?

thanks

andy

Edited December 11, 2005 by andy

[Tony]

Hello Andy,

I would have thought it was issued with the outer carton. The reason being is that my one has a seal (I believe later ones didn't have the seal) and the white printed paper glued to the carton says "Nur von dem Beliehenen zu ?ffnen" which roughly translates to: only to be opened by recipient or only to be opened by the person bestowed upon etc.

Tony

Edited December 11, 2005 by Tony

[Tony]

The light is poor this time of day but here's another view.

[Tony]

Another

[Tony]

And the last one.

Tony

[TerryG]

nice one indeed with that seal

Edited December 11, 2005 by TerryG

[andy]

Thank you Tony

thats exactly what I wanted to see. Is this the only one you have come across?

regards

andy

[Stogieman]

Hi Andy, The outer box in WW1 stayed essentially the same across the board. All were issued with the Orders Kanzlerie Seal and were probably only contracted with one maker. The box is consistent between multiple makers, unlike the WW2 cross which will have several variations.

[joe campbell]

and when you think about it, this one-being

perhaps 90 years old-is in very nice shape!

thanks for the question and the pix!

joe

[Tony]

Hello Andy,

They crop up on ebay.de now and then and go for crazy money.

Stogie,

Thanks for the tip on all of them having a seal. I have seen them without and was told they were late war cartons.

Tony

[Stogieman]

I think the ones with no seal simply have lost it. I have not seen one without the seal that did not have evidence that it was once there. "Double-boxed" as we say, brings very strong money for one of these, even with a shabby carton. They add a very nice touch. often, you will find a name/unit penciled on the box somewhere. other times, you'll find just a stone-mint set-up that came from his surviving family...

[Tony]

often, you will find a name/unit penciled on the box somewhere. other times, you'll find just a stone-mint set-up that came from his surviving family...

My one has the name in pencil but it's sooooooooo faint that it can't be read.

Now how annoying is that?

[Ralph A]

More. All maker marked.

Left to right, Godet, Wagner, CD800, KO.

Edited December 12, 2005 by Ralph A

[Stogieman]

Just a quick note.... Ralph's crosses are marked, not the outer boxes.

[joe campbell]

ralph-

beautiful!!

if you ever need to have a fire sale,

i'm first in line!

very nice pix.

joe

[Tony]

Andy,

This looks like a nice one if you fancy spending a lot of money or if Ralph would like another one. http://cgi.ebay.de/Eisernes-Kreuz-1-Klasse...1QQcmdZViewItem

[Stogieman]

The eBay cross is one of the earlier pieces IMO, that used many "leftover" 1870 cases.... These earlier cases are usually slightly domed, deeper real velvet insert, gold EK on the lid and "nail-head" opener. The earlier production for WW1 followed the exact same design, but held a different style (non-domed) lid. These are beautiful pieces....

[gregM]

Very impressive, Gentleman.