Wild Card Posted December 29, 2008 Author Posted December 29, 2008 And here is a Silver Military Merit Medal (1821-1832) also from Hessen-Kassel.
David M Posted December 29, 2008 Posted December 29, 2008 Reverse.Hi Wild CardI see you even have the one established by my favourite Kurf?rst (Wilhelm II.) magnificent pieces. Are the ribbons original as well? Although the recipientslist for the 1821-1832 version of the Cross was not published, I can get you the list for the others. You can find the 1840 one here:Kurhessian Staatshandbuch 1840
Guest Rick Research Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 The upcoming statistical studies book by the late Eric Ludvigsen includes exact data on how many of the W?rttemberg "Feldz?ge" Medals were awarded, as well as how many wre for each specific year-- all from an 1868 reference book. :rolleyes:
Ulsterman Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 oh!?How late were they awarded?I think I have posted this chap before-an old Prussian @ 1875 who had his picture taken in Washington D.C., USA.
Beau Newman Posted May 27, 2009 Posted May 27, 2009 Bavarian Campaign Cross for 1813 & 1814:http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_05_2009/post-6181-1243383760.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_05_2009/post-6181-1243383773.jpg
Beau Newman Posted May 27, 2009 Posted May 27, 2009 Very worn Brunswick Peninsula Medal for Enlisted Men - Replaced suspension:http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_05_2009/post-6181-1243384154.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_05_2009/post-6181-1243384172.jpg
Beau Newman Posted May 27, 2009 Posted May 27, 2009 (edited) Hannover Medal for 1813 Volunteers - Instituted 1841:http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_05_2009/post-6181-1243384277.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_05_2009/post-6181-1243384295.jpg Edited May 27, 2009 by Beau Newman
Beau Newman Posted May 27, 2009 Posted May 27, 2009 Mecklenburg-Schwerin Decoration for 1808-1815 - Instituted 1841:http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_05_2009/post-6181-1243384498.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_05_2009/post-6181-1243384517.jpg
Guest Rick Research Posted May 27, 2009 Posted May 27, 2009 :Cat-Scratch: What CHARACTER! I can imagine the old warriors like the one posted by my esteemed cousin above, decades and decades of wear, care, and wear-and-tear! Looks like you've got an amazingly high proportion of wearers' lifetimes RIBBONS too-- which is amazing. :cheers:
Beau Newman Posted May 27, 2009 Posted May 27, 2009 I've always preferred a tatter of original ribbon over a nice new replacement any time.
eitze Posted May 30, 2009 Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) Here is my small contribution.The first 3 medals were already shown in the own threads, but here is the right place for them WALDECK: Campaign Medal 1813 Edited May 30, 2009 by eitze
eitze Posted May 30, 2009 Posted May 30, 2009 Brunswick Waterloo Medal named to Carl Schoenemann, Av. Garde
eitze Posted May 30, 2009 Posted May 30, 2009 Kingdom of WestphalenSilberne Ehrenmedaille, 2nd. modelThe King was Jerome (= Hieronymus in German) Napoleon, the youngest brother of Napoleon. He was known in Germany as "K?nig Lustik" - King funny or merry. It was said, that "lustik" (the right spelling is "lustig") was the only German word he was able to speak, but that is a myth.greetingseitze
Guest Rick Research Posted May 30, 2009 Posted May 30, 2009 This is an absolutely terrific overview. I've moved it down into the Napoleonic Subforum so this does not get buried under 1918 Wound Badges and the other late Imperial era stuff.I really had no idea that so many of you were collecting awards from this far back-- there is so much going on that if you would like to post INDIVIDUAL threads on each state's awards, that might be a good idea to develop topics in more depth.I'm fascinated--but OUT of my depth. :cheers:
Wild Card Posted May 30, 2009 Author Posted May 30, 2009 Eitze,Thank you for posting numbers 88 and 89. With all of the forgeries of these medals that we constantly see of these medals, your offerings are like a breath of fresh air.I notice that your examples have different ribbons. For the benefit of the membership, could you tell us which one is correct?Again, thank you and Best Wishes, Wild Card
Wild Card Posted May 31, 2009 Author Posted May 31, 2009 (edited) This is an absolutely terrific overview. I've moved it down into the Napoleonic Subforum so this does not get buried under 1918 Wound Badges and the other late Imperial era stuff.I really had no idea that so many of you were collecting awards from this far back-- there is so much going on that if you would like to post INDIVIDUAL threads on each state's awards, that might be a good idea to develop topics in more depth.I'm fascinated--but OUT of my depth. Rick,I agree with your comments but would like to offer some additional points.With regard to ?...so this does not get buried under 1918 Wound Badges and the other late Imperial era stuff.?, I know exactly what you mean. I just took a look at ?the other forum? and under the Imperial German section, seven of the current first ten threads are dedicated to Iron Crosses. I think that this situation has been allowed to happen because their membership lost many who had a lot more than Iron crosses to offer; but gave up because of a general lack of interest beyond Iron Crosses. One of the main reasons that I started this thread was strictly Germanic in it?s intent. Refer to a quote from my introduction in post #1, ?We often feel a comfort level by concentrating on World War I and then, to varying degrees over time, work our way back through the Colonial and African campaigns to the Franco-Prussian War; but rarely go further than the war of 1866.The Napoleon era awards reflect things that were to come. Some of the states and entities of that time (Anhalt-K?then, Hangover, Hessen-Kassel...) no longer existed, as such, by 1870; but their influence often lived on. From here, we work our way forward - it is hard to know where you are going, if you don?t know where you have been.?Beyond that, look at the number of World War I awards that have roots going back to the Napoleon era. From the Napoleonic era to 1918, physical changes took place that help us to date an award. Aside from being an interesting area of collecting by itself the information gained can be useful. For instance, the medal of the Baden Military Karl Friedrich Merit Order had no less than eight different models between 1810 and 1918 and the Bavarian military merit medal had about five different models from 1794 to 1818.Now why would this type of information be useful to us? We have seen two excellent examples in the most recent Thies auction. The first case is a beautiful 1870 era Saxon medal bar (lot #1841) with a St. Henry knight?s badge that would look a bit weird to many collectors, who might dismiss it as privately made piece or a bad copy. Of course, it was a reissued or left over Napoleon era piece.An even better example involves an 1870?s era Baden medal bar. One of the more mundane medals on the bar is a Baden combat service medal with the 1848 and 1870-71 bars (lot #65) from Eric Ludvigsen?s collection. One of our fellow forum members had the good sense to look at the reverse of the medal and found it to be one of he super rare 1848 medals with the recipient?s name on the reverse - nice going fellow Forum member! I am just trying to say that a well rounded knowledge of imperial German orders and decorations does not begin around 1900; and it makes more sense to start at the beginning and go forward than start at the end and go back.Best wishes,Wild Card Edited May 31, 2009 by Wild Card
Guest Rick Research Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 True enough. Just thought it would be neater and easier to literally FIND these items in this section than in Imperial German as a whole, where they are submerged in (and buried by) the majority of WW1 era posts. The same applies to British, where this time-specific sort of post gets lost in the modern campaigns.All part of the never-ending process of rationalizing organization in the hope of making things easier to locate, given the oddities of the "search" function. Imperial German has grown ( ) quite large and cumbersome, yet we really cannot keep dividing into new sub-forums. So if this is MORE confusing rather than LESS it can easily be switched back again.
eitze Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Eitze,Thank you for posting numbers 88 and 89. With all of the forgeries of these medals that we constantly see of these medals, your offerings are like a breath of fresh air.I notice that your examples have different ribbons. For the benefit of the membership, could you tell us which one is correct?Again, thank you and Best Wishes, Wild CardHello Wild Card,I can only repeat what I already said in the "Waldeck-thread":The ribbon on the 1813 medal seems to be old; but I don`t know if it is original.But what I know is, that the order of colours on this ribbon is wrong.The correct order is shown on the "1813-14-15" medal: Red - Black - Gold !!!About forgeries - I asked Gerd Efler (author of the Waldeck-Book) about the medals before I bid and he advived me not to bid on them But I couldn`t resist and was lucky. They fulfill all criteria he wrote in his book about genuine pieces !!!greetings eitze
Ulsterman Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 I have to say-that Westphalian medal is absolutely superb!!!I seem to recall that the Westphalian Court Handbook had a small list of these recipients?God knows what percentage went into the mud in the Beresina or are in a mass grave at Borodino.
eitze Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 I`ve got a copy of the Court Handbook for 1811 and the only persons listed are those, who were decorated with the different classes of the "Order of the Westphalian Crown" and foreign orders. But no medal listing - perhaps in the later issues ?greetings eitze
eitze Posted June 8, 2009 Posted June 8, 2009 Here`s my latest; just received today.HannoverA well worn medal for members of the King`s German Legion.greetingseitze
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