Noor Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 (edited) Hi guys, I obtained today one interesting photo of the imperial Germany officer and few questions arrised. First at his entire medal bar: 1. Order of the Red Eagle, Prussia 2. 1897 Prussian Jubilee medal 3. Order of Albert, Saxony 4. Order of the Star of Romania, officer grade What grade would be the RAO? To me its look like 4th class? Regarding the combination, I presume he is Prussian officer. But can someone ID his rank and uniform or maybe is even possible to find out a name ? Checked and Romanian order is not common at all - officer grade was awarded 500 to civilians and 150 to military (1877-1932) Any help would be great! All the best, Timo aka Noor Edited July 15, 2010 by Noor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Timo, anything written on the reverse ? A date ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dwyer Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 (edited) Hi guys, I obtained today one interesting photo of the imperial Germany officer and few questions arrised. He appears to be a Major. Beyond that, I'm not sure. Those type of Litzen were used by Pioniere and Verkehrstruppen officers, also, I believe, War Ministry and General Staff officers. The plain eppaulettes without numbers, cyphers, or other unit insignia imply he may be Pioneer, War Ministry or General Staff. Edited July 15, 2010 by Mike Dwyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 This should be................ Königlich Sächsischer Major Schwertfeger , dem großen Generalstab zugeteilt , Lehrer an der Kriegsakademie cheers Heiko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted July 15, 2010 Author Share Posted July 15, 2010 (edited) Thanks Heiko and Mike for your help! Great job with the name as well Heiko.... you are fast I am sure Deurelle would love to see this Edited July 15, 2010 by Noor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Fast ??? It took over 2 hours this time..................... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deruelle Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Hi, Very nice photo indeed. Heiko has right about the name but it is a Prussian officer not a Saxon one. Great job heiko Christophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenS Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Is this him? http://www.munzinger.de/search/portrait/Bernhard+Schwerdtfeger/0/1679.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Hi Ken - yes it should be him... Hi Christophe - I thought he was a saxon officer because in my ranklists he has a "KS" in front of his rank and name.... thought this means Königlich Sächsischer , I could not find him in many lists so I thought these were the only years he was in prussian service and the missing years he was in saxon service and must be found in their rank lists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Nice pic of Schwertfeger! Heiko, he is no Saxon, where do You have that from? Munzlinger BTW is wrong. He retired as Colonel and got the MajGen promotion long after WW1. Got additional KO3, EK1, SA3X, SMK, ÖM3K Greetings Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Daniel , what does the " KS " in the ranklist in front of his rank and name mean??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenS Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 The 1905 Rangliste shows him as a Captain at the Kriegsschule in Hannover (with the uniform of Saxon Foot Artillery Regiment No. 12) 24.6.03 F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Right.....and that`s why I was shure that "KS" means "Königlich Sächsischer"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted July 16, 2010 Author Share Posted July 16, 2010 Great to see that one picture can bring some life back to this forum. I got home from work and after we got our son to sleep, open computer and vola... so many posts Here is the new one from today what I got (on the way) Medal bar: 1. EK2 2. ????? 3. Imperial Russia Order of St.Stanislaus 4th Class (looks like with the bow) First at all what period uniform it is? If it is pre WW1 (what I presume) then the EK2 must be 1870 issue. Also what would be his rank? Major as well? Second award is to plury I afraid to ID it. Any help would be appreciated! Timo aka Noor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Ah intersting......... I was too slow on that one too........ need to raise my speed N°2 is of course the 1870 medal , N°1 is a iron cross 2.class 1870.... from the type of paper I would say about 1875 - 1885 , Garde-Ulan (?) from Berlin..... I don`t have that early ranklists.... sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Which KS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 This KS here............. just thought I am going crazy - but it is still there...puuuuuu ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 or this one..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 ahhhhh......thats ODDDDD!!!!!! He was Saxon until 1912/13 and went straight in the Prussian Army as Major in General staff.... Usually the Saxons were "just" commanded to the Prussian institutions. Somehow he had a reason completely to swich over. I will check the Saxon Militärwochenblatt next days, maybe something turns up. Greetings Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenS Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Ah intersting......... I was too slow on that one too........ need to raise my speed N°2 is of course the 1870 medal , N°1 is a iron cross 2.class 1870.... from the type of paper I would say about 1875 - 1885 , Garde-Ulan (?) from Berlin..... I don`t have that early ranklists.... sorry Info about the photographer: http://www.zeno.org/Schmidt-1902/A/Hanfstaengl,+Franz http://fotostudios.genealogy.net/details.php?ID=1364 http://books.google.ca/books?id=L23uWokRSj0C&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=%22Hanns+Hanfstaengl%22&source=bl&ots=Ze-5QVCx8r&sig=CrIacHmD3ekaaMF5nwh9SISZ77s&hl=en&ei=Es1ATL6KOOjtnQfl7PjtDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CC4Q6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=%22Hanns%20Hanfstaengl%22&f=false same card type from 1878: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Heinrich_Haymerle.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Timo..... next time only one photo per thread - gets confusing slowly.... :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Krause Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 here it is: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Great job alltogether !!! :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dwyer Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 (edited) First at all what period uniform it is? If it is pre WW1 (what I presume) then the EK2 must be 1870 issue. Also what would be his rank? Major as well? Second award is to plury I afraid to ID it. Any help would be appreciated! Timo aka Noor Timo, He isn't a Major, there's no fringe on his epaulettes. He has to be either a Leutnant, Oberleutnant, or Hauptmann/Rittmeister. He appears to be a Ulan officer. It's hard to tell, but I don't think there is a cypher or number on his epaulette, so he's probably from Garde-Ulan-Regt. 1, 2 or 3. They didn't have any cyphers or numbers on their epaulettes. I think, and I could be wrong, there is only one rank star on his epaulette which would make him an Oberleutnant. Edited July 16, 2010 by Mike Dwyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 I think he is a Oberleutnant too.... 1 star on the board , if he stayed "at home" to make the photo the chance is good that he is from Garde-Ulanenregiment N°2 because that is the only one from Berlin directly - N°1 and N°3 were in Potsdam... the combination of medals and rank could probably solve the riddle and give him his name back - BUT - we need a date for that... a year on the reverse or anything like that... Just checked 1887 rank list (earliest I have) and that tells me that it may be possible with a exact year of the photo...without - not :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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