QSAMIKE Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Will try this once again..... Getting very discouraged with site...... Good Day Ladies and Gentlemen..... Please find attached some photos of a Father / Son group that I purchased today from an estate/garage sale..... Have a little bit of knowledge but will be doing some extensive research..... Hope that you enjoy..... CHARLES PATTERSON LLOYD - (Father) EGYPT MEDAL - NO BARS - Lieutenant C. S. Lloyd, 2 / East Kent Regiment BRITISH SOUTH AFRICA COMPANY MEDAL - NO BARS - RHODESIA 1896 - Captain C. P. Lloyd, Engineers (Engraved) W.W. 1 - 1914/15 TRIO - Major C. P. Lloyd, East Kent Regiment KHEDIVE'S STAR - Un-Named as issued MAURICE CHARLES HUMPHREY LLOYD - (Son) DISTINGUISHED SERVICE CROSS - Midshipman - River Clyde, Gallipoli BAR TO DISTINGUISHED SERVICE CROSS - Sub-Lieutenant - Zeebrugge The DSC is un-named as issued but has case of issue, the above information is from a slip of hand written paper that was in the case.... Another interesting item is the BSAC medal has engraved naming but only to Engineers spelt out in full not Royal Engineers, does anyone have a similar one?? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Ooooooohhhh!!!!!!! That is fantastic. I suppose we would slit our wrists if we knew what it cost..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Mike - I'm a little worried - you say ' getting very discouraged with site' . Is this because not enough members are answering ? I have no experience with other Forums - so I don't know if this lack of response is the usual pattern. I have noticed that whilst a lot look , it is mainly the same group who reply with comments and information. I suppose it's normal - we all collect different things - even within medals. Sometimes I think the more straightforward collectors just don't realise how exceptionally rare a DSC and Bar is - particularly for the two Actions mentioned. I felt a little let down when the AFC received just passing interest. However, I feel that being part of an important Forum gives us older - and perhaps - more experienced members, a responsibility to show and discuss special medals which are not commonly seen - this, after all, is how we all learn. One other point - you are an experienced past Chairman of a Militaria Society in Canada - as am I for Sth. Africa. We both know that for many collectors it can become a game of numbers - ie. have I got more than you ? With your enormous collection plus, our many other serious members, we are in a position to keep this sub-forum an important learning experience - so, please don't give-up on us ? Thankyou for showing both sets. Mervyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Zeebrugge.... that is enough research potential to keep you going all winter I would imagine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mervyn Mitton Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Good point Chris. Mike's got the medal - we shall look forward to his account - particularly in relation to this DSC............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 KIA he was..... The cutter was made fast to the stem of the motor launch, which went out of the harbour stern first at full speed. Lieutenant Billyard- Leake reports that this motor launch was entirel)' responsible for saving the survivors from the Iphigema. Heavy machine-gun fire was concentrated on her while on passage out, at which time Sub-Lieutenant Maurice C. H. Lloyd, ^ D.S.C. {Dominion), was mortally, and Lieutenant James C. Keith Wright,' R.N.V.R., of M.L. 416, dangerously wounded, and two of the motor launch's crew of four killed. I trust that the Lords Commissioners, who have so many claims to judge, will consider that this recital of the part played by the Ipliigenia well justifies my mention of Lieutenant Billyard-Leake and of Mate (E) Sydney Greville West ^ {Benhow), who throughout the preparations and ojieration worked his department in an admirable manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 From here... http://www.archive.org/stream/ostendzeebruggea00keye/ostendzeebruggea00keye_djvu.txt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishGunner Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 History aside (although it's fantastic) - the DSC with a Bar is damned beautiful item in its own right without the stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QSAMIKE Posted October 20, 2010 Author Share Posted October 20, 2010 Mike - I'm a little worried - you say ' getting very discouraged with site' . Is this because not enough members are answering ? I have no experience with other Forums - so I don't know if this lack of response is the usual pattern. I have noticed that whilst a lot look , it is mainly the same group who reply with comments and information. I suppose it's normal - we all collect different things - even within medals. Sometimes I think the more straightforward collectors just don't realise how exceptionally rare a DSC and Bar is - particularly for the two Actions mentioned. I felt a little let down when the AFC received just passing interest. However, I feel that being part of an important Forum gives us older - and perhaps - more experienced members, a responsibility to show and discuss special medals which are not commonly seen - this, after all, is how we all learn. One other point - you are an experienced past Chairman of a Militaria Society in Canada - as am I for Sth. Africa. We both know that for many collectors it can become a game of numbers - ie. have I got more than you ? With your enormous collection plus, our many other serious members, we are in a position to keep this sub-forum an important learning experience - so, please don't give-up on us ? Thankyou for showing both sets. Mervyn Hi Mervyn...... The reason I am getting discouraged is that even though I check the box to be notified of posts by email in threads that I have started and in threads that I have put an answer i am not receiving any answers or emails..... This means that I have to log in every so often to see if there has been any answers, it is getting a bit frustration..... Maybe when the Mods do the next upgrade there can be a box in the profile / registration that you only have to click once and you will get replies to any of your threads or posts..... I am a member of several other forums and this is automatic...... However, I feel that being part of an important Forum gives us older - and perhaps - more experienced members, a responsibility to show and discuss special medals which are not commonly seen - this, after all, is how we all learn. One other point - you are an experienced past Chairman of a Militaria Society in Canada - as am I for Sth. Africa. We both know that for many collectors it can become a game of numbers - ie. have I got more than you ? With your enormous collection plus, our many other serious members, we are in a position to keep this sub-forum an important learning experience - so, please don't give-up on us ? I agree with you on these comments..... A well known collector here in Calgary really started me off on this path of history and fun by giving me a box of medals and then taught me about each one and that was over 45 years ago and since then I have been trying to share some of that knowledge and knowledge that I have learned over the years..... Oh I will not give up but it is a bit frustrating..... Oh another thing thats comes to mind a friend who comes in and looks occasionally says he has a very very hard time reading the posts because he is colour blind and the background causes him trouble, does not bother me though...... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QSAMIKE Posted October 20, 2010 Author Share Posted October 20, 2010 Ooooooohhhh!!!!!!! That is fantastic. I suppose we would slit our wrists if we knew what it cost..... More than a Dollar and less than Five Hundred Dollars....... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bokken Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Fantastic find Mike! Greg:catjava: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
army historian Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Mike, you scored a killer. The DSC and bar is worth that times two alone, not to mention the father's group with the BSA medal (a rarity itself). Congratulations. Now where is this area where this "garage sale" was taking place? Cheers Captain Albert :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QSAMIKE Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 Here is some more information that I have found from the London Gazette and from another collector..... Mike MAURICE CHARLES HUMPHREY LLOYD DISTINGUISHED SERVICE CROSS - Midshipman - River Clyde, Galliopli London Gazette: 14-3-1916, Page 2870/1 (Galipolli) Midshipman Maurice Charles Humphrey Lloyd R.N.: While under heavy fire on the 25th of April, assisted to secure the lighters which formed a pier between the River Clyde and the shore. BAR TO DISTINGUISHED SERVICE CROSS - Sub-Lieutenant - Zeebrugge In recognition of distinguished services during the operations against Zeebrugge and Ostend on the night of 22-23 April 1918----- London Gazette: 23-7-1918, Page 8588/90 Sub-Lieutenant Maurice Charles Humphrey Lloyd DSC, R.N. (Iphigenia), (Since died of wounds): Showed coolness under heavy fire and by his bravery and devotion to duty, set a fine example to his men. On abandoning ship, after she had been sunk. Sub. Lieut. Lloyd was severely wounded. This very gallant young officer has since died of his wounds. Lt Lloyd was one of the heroes of the Zeebrugge Raid. His emotive story is encapsulated in the white ensign held at the Dover Museum still stained with his blood. He was an officer aboard HMS Iphigenia, supervising aft, when she was deliberately sunk in the entrance to the canal. Before leaving the ship and boarding the rescue vessel ML282 he retrieved the ship's white ensign. As ML282 escaped, Lloyd was mortally wounded by a shell but clung on to the flag. Lord Keyes, the raid's commander, recalled how Lloyd had "begged for a place in one of the blockships" after he had completed all the appointments. Lloyd got his wish after the Iphigenia's lieutentant got appendicitis. As he lay dying aboard the H.M.S. Warwick, Keyes's flagship, which had picked up ML282's complement, Keyes was so moved he petitioned the King to approve an immediate DSC before he died. He wrote: "Lloyd had the H.M.S. Iphigenia's white ensign wrapped around his waist and it was saturated with his blood. I think he knew his number was up, but was perfectly happy and fearfully proud of having been able to bring away the ensign, which I told him he should keep." The King approved the award immediately and Keyes was able to tell Lloyd of his DSC bar after his transfer to the hospital ship Liberty, moored at Dover. Keyes recalled that Lloyd, and another officer in the same situation (who actually survived), were "both conscious and fearfully pleased" by their awards. Lloyd died later that day - a day after the raid on Zeebrugge. His DSC bar citation spoke of his "great coolness under heavy fire", adding that "by his bravery and devotion to duty he set a fine example to his men". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 WOW! That medal could be the center point of any collection! You lucky man you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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