Hun Helmet Posted June 1, 2006 Posted June 1, 2006 (edited) I just picked up a mask from Great War Militaria. Original mask with original can but can was repainted for use in reenacting. Added: I tried to edit one of the other post to add a photo so I'd have two up but it seems to count both posts as one so far as posting photos go. Sorry for the double post and one photo. Mike Edited June 1, 2006 by Hun Helmet
Hun Helmet Posted June 1, 2006 Posted June 1, 2006 (edited) I just picked up a mask from Great War Militaria. Original mask with original can but can was repainted for use in reenacting. Edited June 1, 2006 by Hun Helmet
Daniel Murphy Posted June 2, 2006 Posted June 2, 2006 So does anyone have the spare filter with the carrier or the 1915 bag for a mask and spare filter? Dan Murphy
Hauptmann Posted June 2, 2006 Posted June 2, 2006 Hi all,Out of curiosity, roughly what would one of the Imperial German gasmasks, complete with cannister run nowadays? I have a WWII which I was told was likely issued to the Luftschutz and another WWII mask that I picked up a gazillion years ago for $10 in a surplus store in Clearwater Florida. It's nazi marked but was so dirty sitting on their shelf the only thing I knew was it was German and looked to be WWII. They didn't have the original cannister... just a West German which I got for $5 if I remember correctly.But I'm curious about these Imperial issues. Our local history museum has one brought back by one of our local vets. And a friend of mine up here had one a few years ago that she sold before we moved up... a complete set. She said it was just like the one in the museum. She hated to tell me but I figure one will turn up eventually and it's nothing I'm in a hurry for. In fact my son is more into gas masks than I am. They're a nice addition to general field gear but nothing I'm actively seeking at the moment.Thanks, Dan
Chip Posted June 2, 2006 Posted June 2, 2006 Daniel,Sure, I have two of the Segeltuchtasche, one the M1915s (converted to M1916) and a M1916. Over the years I have had about five of them, even one in redbrown canvas. I wrote the first article printed about them, which appeared in Kaiserzeit in 1982 and was reprinted in the Phoenix Exchange a few years later. The article is now visible on Johan Somers' "Before 1919" website. Of course, much more information has been uncovered since then and is available in Kraus's 1999 books "Die Feldgraue Uniformierung des deutschen Heeres 1907-1918" (though he did pinch at least one bit of information from my article). I also have a Atemeinsatztasche M17. Chip
Hauptmann Posted June 3, 2006 Posted June 3, 2006 Daniel,Sure, I have two of the Segeltuchtasche, one the M1915s (converted to M1916) and a M1916. Over the years I have had about five of them, even one in redbrown canvas. I wrote the first article printed about them, which appeared in Kaiserzeit in 1982 and was reprinted in the Phoenix Exchange a few years later. The article is now visible on Johan Somers' "Before 1919" website. Of course, much more information has been uncovered since then and is available in Kraus's 1999 books "Die Feldgraue Uniformierung des deutschen Heeres 1907-1918" (though he did pinch at least one bit of information from my article). I also have a Atemeinsatztasche M17. ChipHi Chip,Many thanks on the GM info. Quick question though... whatever happened to the Kaiserzeit, not to mention the Imperial German Military Collectors Association? I was a member... had received the KZ and then suddenly it was like they dropped off the face of the planet.Do they still exist and if so how do I get back in? I've even still got my original membership card and number info.Thanks, Dan
Chip Posted June 3, 2006 Posted June 3, 2006 (edited) Hauptmann, I was on the staff of Kaiserzeit from 1972 unitl it died. It was a great run and about the only place you could get any information on imperial German militaria at the time. The downfall was the last printer, who seemed to decide that he would just keep the subscription money and not send anything out. He had the gall to ask people to send more money after getting only one issue for the previous years $15.00 payment. Finally, everyone got tired of waiting and sending money and just threw in the towel. Kaiserzeit lasted for over ten years, which is a long time for a publication that was put together with articles by unpaid enthusiasts. I still have a complete set of the journal. Chip Edited January 12, 2013 by Chip
Hauptmann Posted June 3, 2006 Posted June 3, 2006 Hauptmann,I was on the staff of Kaiserzeit from 1972 unitl it died. I was a great run and about the only place you could get any information on imperial German militaria at the time. The downfall was the last printer, who seemed to decide that he would just keep the subscription money and not send anything out. He had the gall to ask people to send more money after getting only one issue for the previous years $15.00 payment. Finally, everyone got tired of waiting and sending money and just threw in the towel. Kaiserzeit lasted for over ten years, which is a long time for a publication that was put together with articles by unpaid enthusiasts. I still have a complete set of the journal.ChipHi Chip,I'm very sorry to hear all that. I only wish I'd known as my wife and I were in the publishing field and worked with printers all the time. Of course that was a bit before the desktop publishing of the last fifteen or so years with it getting better and easier all the time. But had we been able to do anything we would have been happy to.But I do remember, now that you mention it, the endless waiting for more issues for my membership fee only to have them not come. The few that did were extremely interesting and I still have them somewhere in all my stuff, although I could not lay my hands on them right off the bat. It's a shame as I really thought it was a terrific idea at the time.I also used to get Der Gauleiter... both when it was an auction and sellers and then when it went to auctions only. Finally it sold to someone, don't know who, and it then also seemed to peter out. The one thing I deeply regret in all that time is not being able to get the book of cartoons of "Orders and medals that should have been but weren't". Some of them were sooooo funny and I would have loved a complete collection.Sigh... the good old days, gone forever.Definitely good times while they lasted though and I guess nothing lasts forever. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Dan
Daniel Murphy Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 Detail of the belt loop and loop for breadbag strap. Note the bar tacks.
Chip Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 (edited) Daniel,Is it maker marked or dated inside? Both of mine are size "2"s. I have seen a "3". but never a "1", except in period photos.Chip Edited June 4, 2006 by Chip
Chip Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 Whoops. Both of us adding something at the same time. Looks like yours is the earlier model that had the 1916 changes added. One of mine is like that, with the "D" rings added and the third compartment divider removed.Chip
Daniel Murphy Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 (edited) Undo the little flaps... All will be revealed in good time. Edited June 4, 2006 by Daniel Murphy
Daniel Murphy Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 The idiot I got the filter and can from removed the seal. He did not destroy it and I was able to gently put it back in place.
Daniel Murphy Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 (edited) With all contents removed you can see it is a 1915 converted to a 1916 by cutting out one divider. Note the ragged edges it left. Edited June 4, 2006 by Daniel Murphy
Daniel Murphy Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 (edited) Upon opening the large can, which has all straps intact, we have the mintest Gummimask I have ever seen. Edited June 4, 2006 by Daniel Murphy
Daniel Murphy Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 The rubber lining is still soft and everything is like new, including the filter.
Chip Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 Daniel,Nice set. My early one has the spare filter compartment on the other end and two additional button holes added (by the owner) to the sides of the flap to better hold it down.Chip
Daniel Murphy Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 (edited) Chip, Thanks for the kind words. Yes the bag is marked, but it is weak. Here you go. When I got the bag, I had a choice between this one and a nice heavy canvas red ochre 1916. I liked that this one was earlier (and a little less expensive because it was cut)Dan Murphy Edited June 4, 2006 by Daniel Murphy
Chip Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 (edited) Daniel,What a luxury to have a choice! I got both of my bags back in the 1980's when you didn't have to take a second mortgage on your house to get one! The red/brown bag that I had was the lighter weight material, like these earlier gray examples.Too bad the markings are not legible on your piece, but this is pretty typical. Many were never marked at all. The earlier one that I have has a decent maker mark and is clearly dated 1916. Chip Edited June 4, 2006 by Chip
Daniel Murphy Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 (edited) Chip, Is the Atemeinsatztasche M17, the single filter carrier? I know nothing of the German names for these. If so, that is next up. This was originally dark grey, but has faded out in several areas. Not the greatest condition, but these are very hard to find. I have only seen two for sale including this one in over 20 years.Dan Murphy Edited June 4, 2006 by Daniel Murphy
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