Markus Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 Thanks James! Your information helps immensely with dating some of these lions and suns. Always learning something new here on GMIC and appreciate you sharing your knowledge. Markus
James Hoard Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 Different models of the Lion & Sun Art & Science division. Private collection This is a separate decoration and not a division of the Order of the Lion and Sun. Officially instituted in 1852 and called the Nishan-i-Ilmi (Order of the Arts and Sciences) as a reward artistic and scientific merit for those who had achieved success in their studies at the recently founded Polytechnic College of Tehran. Later converted to a full scale state order of merit for the advancement of learning and dissemination of knowledge by scientists, writers, educators, artists, etc. Perhaps the administrator could move #78, # 79 and # 42 to a new thread? Cheers, James
JapanX Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 This is a separate decoration and not a division of the Order of the Lion and Sun. Officially instituted in 1852 and called the Nishan-i-Ilmi (Order of the Arts and Sciences) as a reward artistic and scientific merit for those who had achieved success in their studies at the recently founded Polytechnic College of Tehran. Later converted to a full scale state order of merit for the advancement of learning and dissemination of knowledge by scientists, writers, educators, artists, etc. Perhaps the administrator could move #78, # 79 and # 42 to a new thread? Cheers, James I wonder if 19 century Persians were confused by all this multiform and multicolor order... Nice one James!!! Thanks for this info! But now we don't have our precious lion and sun specimen with non-green ribbon. Good thing I didn't get used to this red ribbon "looks exactly like lion and sun" piece Could you tell if the superimposed silver crown (specimens #42 and #78) is a 1) indication of additional merit 2) indication of class 3) caprice of manufacturer And really interesting one - why standing lion in case of #78??? I wonder... Military division of college? Cheers, Nick
JapanX Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) Interesting thing - I found exactly the same order as one that was posted by Markus in post #79 (second row left one) but with.... green ribbon. Isn't it nice? It seems that standing lion and superimposed crown are going together for this art&science order. I will post pictures in couple of days in the new thread (devoted to this order and I (if it is ok with Markus and the owner) will repost these beaties in this new thread together with some interesting additional examples of this order). Cheers, Nick Edited January 27, 2012 by JapanX
James Hoard Posted January 28, 2012 Posted January 28, 2012 I wonder if 19 century Persians were confused by all this multiform and multicolor order... Nice one James!!! Thanks for this info! But now we don't have our precious lion and sun specimen with non-green ribbon. Good thing I didn't get used to this red ribbon "looks exactly like lion and sun" piece Could you tell if the superimposed silver crown (specimens #42 and #78) is a 1) indication of additional merit 2) indication of class 3) caprice of manufacturer And really interesting one - why standing lion in case of #78??? I wonder... Military division of college? Cheers, Nick Nick, I have posted on this in the other thread, but what I said was I have read about a similar decoration to the one at the Polytechnic at the Tehran Military War College. However, I have not been able to find out anything more about it, whether it survived and later morphed into a full-scale state decoration, what classes there were, ribbon colour (if any) or description of insignia. Given the standing lion and sword, this could be it. Cheers, James
JapanX Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 (edited) Nick, I have posted on this in the other thread, but what I said was I have read about a similar decoration to the one at the Polytechnic at the Tehran Military War College. However, I have not been able to find out anything more about it, whether it survived and later morphed into a full-scale state decoration, what classes there were, ribbon colour (if any) or description of insignia. Given the standing lion and sword, this could be it. Cheers, James Yes, could be... But then every military institution of higher education in Iran might has its own ribbon color Cheers, Nick Edited January 30, 2012 by JapanX
JapanX Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Check this out mates. Obviously european workshop, marked PL on reverse. 80×80mm.
JapanX Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 And now this beautiful miniature. Probably russian workshop.
JapanX Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 And now something special for the Markus. Russian work (I know he likes it ), emeralds + rock crystal. 72×72mm. Enjoy!
JapanX Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Well, here is an interesting point. The happy owner of this beauty decided to show the actual size of the piece... Not through comparison with usual AA battery , but with 1st class order of glory... 223 1st class order of glory. Nice choice!!! A little homage to soviet phaleristics :) Edited January 30, 2012 by JapanX
Markus Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) Thanks for posting the Russian beauties Nick. Yes I am fond of these! LOL! I tried researching the NB and PL sliver marks and came up empty. The small medal has Russian Assay mark for sure. I was surprised that I couldn't find the makers with those marks. The Kokoshnik Mark is dated prior to 1908. I think they both are Russian made. It seems like a lot of the jeweled lion and suns were made by Russian makers. http://www.925-1000.com/Frussia.html Edited January 31, 2012 by Markus
Markus Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 This is a beautiful Jeweled Lion and Sun that hammered in the Künker Auction for 3,200 Euro. I think it also looks like a Russian made piece.
JapanX Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 This is a beautiful Jeweled Lion and Sun that hammered in the Künker Auction for 3,200 Euro. I think it also looks like a Russian made piece. Nice piece - terrible price Too high for "glass", way too low for jewels...
JapanX Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 Thanks for posting the Russian beauties Nick. Yes I am fond of these! LOL! I tried researching the NB and PL sliver marks and came up empty. The small medal has Russian Assay mark for sure. I was surprised that I couldn't find the makers with those marks. The Kokoshnik Mark is dated prior to 1908. I think they both are Russian made. It seems like a lot of the jeweled lion and suns were made by Russian makers. http://www.925-1000.com/Frussia.html Markus, back in Russia they call it "именник". Maker who marked his pieces with this one (NB) is not known. At least we know that this piece was made before 1908 Cheers, nick
Markus Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) Nice piece - terrible price Too high for "glass", way too low for jewels... These jeweled Lion and Suns must melt the collector's heart and wallet like a diamond engagement ring melts the woman's heart and the man's wallet! It seems that whenever one of these jeweled Lion and Suns is auctioned, a new record is set. Edited January 31, 2012 by Markus
JapanX Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 These jeweled Lion and Suns must melt the collector's heart and wallet like a diamond engagement ring melts the woman's heart and the man's wallet! Damn right! Or they just really think these are the real diamonds :lol:
drclaw Posted February 1, 2012 Author Posted February 1, 2012 Our shiny baubles represent far better value for money. A few months ago, I wandered into a store famous for its pink diamonds. The jaw hit the floor in shock at the prices. $30,000 for something you have to squint very hard just to be able to see. Imagine how much bling WE could buy for that :lol:
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