lambert Posted November 13, 2012 Posted November 13, 2012 Hi Chris According to Mr. a. Laslo. in his book about the medals of the Victory of World War I (2nd Edition 1992), it is estimated about 700,000 approximately. is a common medal found with boxes in mint conditions, were originally manufactured in the Osaka Mint. (I am not aware of another Japanese manufacturer) having other unofficial being rarer types, for example, manufactured in France. His example is very good. primarily with the certificate! Lambert
Gensui Posted November 14, 2012 Posted November 14, 2012 Thanks, Lambert for your information! Anybody able to confirm/correct the name on the certificate? BR, Chris
lambert Posted November 21, 2012 Posted November 21, 2012 This I cant help ... I think that our colleagues from JAPAN Topic, would be the most suitable for this. . lambert
IrishGunner Posted February 14, 2013 Posted February 14, 2013 Some info/photos regarding Japanese Victory Medal award document in this thread cross-posted from the Japan forum: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/55506-rare-set-of-documents-14-15-14-20-ww-i-victory-medal/?hl=%20victory%20%20medal
RobW Posted February 22, 2013 Posted February 22, 2013 The finding of document groups, to go with the actual medals, is quite difficult when it comes to Japanese awards. In a lot of cases these groups are split apart with the documents being sold separately to the medals themselves. It is quite a shame because they make such attractive complete groups once all the items are together. One needs to be very circumspect when obtaining Japanese groups as you can never be sure if the documents you have are all the recipient was entitled to. In the case of the group of documents that the linked post mentions, there were: 1914-15 Tsingtao War Dispatch Medal document (Dated November 7, 1915) 1914-20 Siberia War Dispatch Medal document. (Dated December 15, 1919)1920 WW1 War Victory Medal document. (Dated December 15, 1919) There is reference, on those documents, to the recipient also being awarded the fifth class of the Order of the Rising Sun or the Order of the Sacred Treasure. So in this particular case we know that there should be at least two more documents to the group to that recipient. The effort to resurrect such a complete group can take a lot of time. This is also what makes it so much fun Regards, Rob
Dieter3 Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 It is so frustrating to see documents and medals separated from one another just to try to make more money. It just seem unethical in some sense, to me anyway. Rob is right. In the case above, it'd be highly unusual that this recipient did not have a Rising Sun, or Sacred Treasure as well, and quite possibly other, either war or commemorative medals. I'd be very suspect of any medal and document combination that is claimed to be a matched set - the only way to be 100% certain is to obtain them directly from a family - obviously difficult. Otherwise you are relying on the word of a seller, and believe me when I say I have seen my share of items end up on eBay as exactly this, when the items had distinctly different sources on Yahoo! Japan. I'm not saying all sellers are guilty of this, but buyer beware.
Marne14 Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 Hi to all, especially Rob and Jean-Michel I never posted on this section but some of you know my website http://www.medailles1914-1918.fr/ I collect all WWI medals for a long time ago and I stand in this topic because I'm astonished by this group: The finding of document groups, to go with the actual medals, is quite difficult when it comes to Japanese awards. One needs to be very circumspect when obtaining Japanese groups as you can never be sure if the documents you have are all the recipient was entitled to. In the case of the group of documents that the linked post mentions, there were: 1914-15 Tsingtao War Dispatch Medal document (Dated November 7, 1915) 1914-20 Siberia War Dispatch Medal document. (Dated December 15, 1919)1920 WW1 War Victory Medal document. (Dated December 15, 1919) Regards, Rob Indeed, according to several authors, I though it was not possible to obtain 1914-1915 medal and 1914-1920 medal. If this veteran received these two medals, it's a "scoop". I hope to post more often... Regards Pierre-Yves
lambert Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 Hello Pierre Welcome to our group Vics enthusiasts, we still have much to discover in this series. I'ma big fan of your site is my greatest reference about the Great War medals ..Congratulations on your site. CheersLambert
Marne14 Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 Hi Lambert, Thank you for your congratulations... but it's more and more difficult to add new medals or documents. Cheers Pierre-Yves
IrishGunner Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 Hi Lambert, Thank you for your congratulations... but it's more and more difficult to add new medals or documents. Cheers Pierre-Yves Pierre, allow me to extend an official Bienvenue!
RobW Posted February 23, 2013 Posted February 23, 2013 Hi to all, especially Rob and Jean-Michel I never posted on this section but some of you know my website http://www.medailles1914-1918.fr/ I collect all WWI medals for a long time ago and I stand in this topic because I'm astonished by this group: Indeed, according to several authors, I though it was not possible to obtain 1914-1915 medal and 1914-1920 medal. If this veteran received these two medals, it's a "scoop". I hope to post more often... Regards Pierre-Yves Hello Pierre, Welcome aboard ! In regards the Japanese War Medal 1914-15 and 1914-20 there is a clarification. As Rich has pointed out on his web-site, you could be awarded both medals, you just could then only wear one of them. Bill posted a link to his web-site at post # 42 of this thread. Regards, Rob
Bilco Posted June 28, 2013 Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) Hi Gents, An interesting thread about a Japanese vic document here http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/49850-japanese-victory-medals/page-4 Bill Edited June 28, 2013 by Bilco
Bilco Posted June 28, 2013 Posted June 28, 2013 Hi Gents, Ooops! the correct link is http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/58926-interesting-ww1-vic-medal-document/ Apologies Bill
davidck Posted December 20, 2013 Posted December 20, 2013 More confusion caused by the fact that my edition of Laslo's book is the 1st edition--I was unaware until I started posting here that there was an "unofficial" Japanese version. I had been assuming that this was the official version, but I'm hoping someone can confirm that for me. Apologies for the sudden flurry of posts in 6 different threads, but as I'm a beginner, I find the knowledge on this forum to be valuable and hope to make more informed decisions in the future. Thanks. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2013/post-16545-0-98725000-1387569702.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_12_2013/post-16545-0-42623800-1387569716.jpg
RobW Posted December 20, 2013 Posted December 20, 2013 Hello David, More confusion caused by the fact that my edition of Laslo's book is the 1st edition--I was unaware until I started posting here that there was an "unofficial" Japanese version. I had been assuming that this was the official version, but I'm hoping someone can confirm that for me. Apologies for the sudden flurry of posts in 6 different threads, but as I'm a beginner, I find the knowledge on this forum to be valuable and hope to make more informed decisions in the future. Thanks. Yes; you have an official version. It has the barrel suspender and correct unblended ribbon. I have posted some comparison pics of the official version next to the French made reproduction (which has a ball suspender) at #3 and #4 of this thread. They will clearly show the differences. Regards, Rob
Paul Evenden Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 #10 in my collection arrived today from Kobe any comment or observations greatly recieved as always
Paul Evenden Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 Thanks Bill got this one off ebay for £47 so pretty happy Paul
lambert Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 On 08/09/2016 at 19:31, Egorka said: Does this Victory medal look authentic? Yes, they are great examples with original box. Lambert
Egorka Posted September 10, 2016 Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) Thanks! So you think I should invest? How would you value the whole lot? Feel like an idiot, not being able to read Japanese... Edited September 10, 2016 by Egorka
Bilco Posted September 11, 2016 Posted September 11, 2016 Hi Egorka - I suggest that you PM Forum member JapanX - this is his area of expertese. Bill
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