Uncategorised Ribbon Bar Question

[MJC]

Gentlemen,

Can anyone find fault with this bar, and is there any chance at identification? Thanks.

[Naxos]

The pictures are very poor.

I believe this is a fake. The needle system and the sewing reminds me of other known forgeries

Edited October 18, 2011 by Naxos

[Wild Card]

Hello Mike Constandy,

I am not terribly learned on the subject, but since no one else has said anything... It appears to me that the fourth ribbon from the left is to the Bavarian St. Michael Order. Considering other decorations on the bar, is this in the right place?

Still learning,

Wild Card

[saschaw]

The order is indeed a bit off. But that's not necessarily a problem.

I don't see much, but I do like what I see. If it's for sale somewhere and you don't go for it, would you please drop me a PM?

I can't find a wearer, but that's one that should be unique.

[MJC]

Thanks very much for your replies. It is precisely the St. Michael ribbon that interests me. I have asked for better images but they haven't yet arrived. It is being sold separately from this other bar, which I am assuming is to the same man.

And this presents the problem, and lack of my knowledge. If the shorter bar is the earlier bar and does not have the St. Michael, yet still has the Hindenburg decoration, would the recipient have received the St. Michael after 1934? Am I off the mark here?

Saschaw, if I don't buy, I'll certainly let you know. I've missed some nice things in your last two updates. Great site and good luck with it. Mike

[MJC]

And I notice the Oldenburg award is missing from the longer, and presumably later, bar, and a orange-yellow-orange ribbon has been added.

[MJC]

For convenience of viewing.

Edited October 18, 2011 by Mike Constandy

[Dave Danner]

I think it is more likely that they were made at the same time, or that the shorter one came later.

It looks like the St. Michael is an error. Someone mistakenly or incorrectly used that ribbon instead of the Oldenburg one. A (mainly) civilian St. Michael makes little sense between what appears to be the Hesse Tapferkeistmedaille and the Hamburg Hanseatenkreuz, while an Oldenburg Friedrich-August Kreuz makes more sense.

The shorter ribbon bar then appears to leave off the peacetime commemorative medals (Prussian Centenary and Baden Jubilee) and keep only the decorations (the Prussian long service cross was considered a decoration).

I assume the last ribbon is the Rettungsmedaille am Bande.

I can't speak to whether it is fake, as you'd need better pictures of the threads and needle and need to check the ribbons. The St. Michael error could have been made by a tailor in 1935 or a faker in 1995, for all I know.

Edited October 18, 2011 by Dave Danner

[saschaw]

I'm with Dave Danner in every point he makes, but think the last ribbon is just what it's is: the Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen!

Edited October 18, 2011 by saschaw

[MJC]

Gentlemen,

Thanks very much for the detailed opinions. As I was primarily interested in the St. Michael, I think I will pass, but if/when the requested images arrive I will post them here for future reference.

Again, many thanks.