marrauder Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Hello gentlemen, What is your opinion about these 25 oaks? Are sanserif pieces considered original? Thanks for your comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrauder Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 Reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I think a lot of this style is usually found with a 9th bead fake and bogus reptition bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrauder Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 Right. So, your advice is to pass sanserifs en bloc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 I'd at least pass this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 my understanding is that there were at least a dozen different manufacturers of this piece, and lots of variations to the 25 year oaks. don't have any opinion other than there are so many of them that if you are not comfy with it, i'd leave it alone... joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrauder Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 Thank you for opinions, you helped me to convince myself to let it be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregM Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) I agree with Don on this one. The "Sans" oaks are commonly found on fake crosses with fake repition bars. I have a hard time believing the only (real) piece being the oak leaves. Edited January 26, 2012 by gregM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrauder Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 Bogus was already sold, for crazy money. It was far over 100 euros when I gave up watching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagahr Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 i found him in the Book Iron time off stephan previtera page 159 on a 1870 prinzen EK strangely the ones on page 97 and page 195 look also very similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagahr Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 (edited) .. Edited January 29, 2012 by hagahr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrauder Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 Second cross is Ninth bead, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagahr Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 no,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrauder Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 Hm, ok, bad photo... So, this type of Sanserifs is still in the game...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagahr Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) yes and no ,,,,,, basically its hard to say fore anyone as the production off oak's went on and on ,,,right in to the late 1930's I stick to a certain type if comes down to 1870/95 ,,,,1900 originality . and a certain type made 1920/30 so dos everybody else everyone here ( and elsewhere ) has one or Moore certain type's they believe in ,,,,,, but no direct and full data to what is fake,,,,,, or what is not . only a big mix up off pictures in Books and opinions off experts and experienced collectors. and sure a lot off observations as fake ek's are combined with original oaks , and the other way around who made it even worse . fore this one ,,most don't like it ( its an ugly one after all ) but it is also seen in Book as original ... that is WY sometimes the prices pay'd are way over general expectations ,,,, and sometimes not ... my advice look to what is commonly excepted as original,,,,, to protect your investment . regards kay Holland verzamelt.nl - 1884 to1941 laws & regulations Edited January 31, 2012 by hagahr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrauder Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 I take it as it is - as a honest opinion. Thanks. I agree with you that oaks can´t be evaluated according to cross they are attached with. It can´t be fake only because it was seen on Ninth beads. I also saw it on good A-cores and nobody gave a damn word about it. First thing is investment, second one is like/dislike. And I really like more serif pieces. This one was interesting for me only until it was very cheap. And finally it wasn´t. Regards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrauder Posted February 5, 2012 Author Share Posted February 5, 2012 I just found one serif piece, but the dimensions are 17 x 13 mm. Is it prinzen size or what? Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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