Stogieman Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 This little gem landed on my doorsteps today. ORB #104677 (Jan-Feb '44)... take a look at it and tell me what you see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 (edited) It looks like a Type 3, circular, 5-sided suspension. What's the mint mark?This little gem landed on my doorsteps today. ORB #104677 (Jan-Feb '44)... take a look at it and tell me what you see! Edited February 1, 2006 by Riley1965 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 Here's the reverse and number: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 A little closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Is it a Type 3 variation 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 I'm not sure, therein lies my problem. But take another look at the front! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 The serial number and mint mark make it a Type 3 variation 3. On the front aside from the wear I noticed the enamel on the bottom point of the star is irregular almost over the edge of the border.I'm not sure, therein lies my problem. But take another look at the front! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 No, I don't think a Type 3.... the serial number is way outside the range according to PM.Look at the plow and staff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 (edited) The edges of the arm on the plow and the flagstaff look off. also, I just checked my PMD. They have the Type 3 serial number range between 84,000 and 355,000. Variation1 serial number range 84,787 to 185,002. I missed that part. Type3 variation 1? Edited February 1, 2006 by Riley1965 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 1, 2006 Author Share Posted February 1, 2006 OK, what I'm talking about is the plow blade touching the staff.......I'm looking at my McDaniels right now. Page 77 ORB Type 3, Variation 3SN range #287,242-333,070?????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Rick,The plow toches the stick. This is not uncommon.Is it possible to get a nice scan of the area around the S/N ?Thanks!Rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 OOPS!! Variation1 serial number range 84,787 to 185,002. I missed that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 Rusty, I'll try to get a good scan tonight. No evidence of tampering that I can see though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 I think, its fine. A T3V1 in my opinion.Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dudeman Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Pretty spastic serial number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 I agree on the engraving. But it matches up with others from the era. I'm always impressed with the variety of styles you see on the earlier ones. I've seen some you would swear were stamped and only under a glass can you see the tool marks the engraving is that precise. Others like this one look like a little too much vodka the night before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuliganRS Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 The S/N does look too big and a bit stylized... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 Nicely matches McDaniel's Page 75; T3V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 Here's a nice close-up of the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Its not exactly the same, the understroke under the 1 isn?t there.Its possible, that the S/N was changed to fit in a group, but the piece is definately a T3V1 in my opinion, when i only go from the obverse.Can you see any traces, that it has been changed, Rick? The patina is not even on the reverse, i.e its missing in the area of the S/N.Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted February 2, 2006 Author Share Posted February 2, 2006 There is absolutely no indication that there has been any altering, buffing, or anything else done to the reverse and/or the number on this order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Michael is correct. It is indeed a T3V1 absolutely spot on McDaniel p75 It's...a Red Banner. Um... if matching HAND-made details to an exact laser-duplicated machined mass produced All Serial Numbers/Stamp Placement/Enamel Depth Must Be PRECISELY The Same On EVERYTHING is something that anybody who wants to collect wartime Red Banners expectsSolly-- you outta ruck.The "style" numbers suggests to MOI, The Quincy Of Collecting? that the very same engraver did BOTH this piece AND the one McDaniel shows on page 75.It's...a Red Banner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 No, Rick, its not a Red Banner its a Red Banner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 In my oppinon Soviet Order numbers dont follow a definate pattern, even though PM tries to show the range of them.e.g I own order of the Red Banner Type 1 Variation 2 No. 61003 when PM states the lowest number is 61134!I just think the Red Banner is one that doesnt conform to the rules! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
order_of_victory Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 Sorry, Ive got Red Banners on the brain I meant October Revolution! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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