ccj Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 I'm asking for help. Can anyone tell me how I can obtain a 1917or 1918 bavarian rank list detailing all Generalleutnants? I'm wondering how I might narrow the field to all aristocrats of that rank who's family manor is outside Munich. I know this may seem odd but that's my personal mission.
ccj Posted June 2, 2012 Author Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) Thank you Dave. I have seen one thread where you had access. Why are many crossed out? Is that the way your list was when you got it. Also, whats the meanign of the letters I outlined? Edited June 2, 2012 by ccj
ccj Posted June 2, 2012 Author Posted June 2, 2012 (edited) Hermann Feiherr von Stein Philipp von[1] Hellingrath Konrad Krafft von Dellmensingen Bernhard von Hartz Paul Ritter von Kneussl Nikolaus Ritter von Endres Friedrich Hurt Hugo Ritter von Huller Otto Ritter von JÄGER Otto Schlosser ???? Hermann Burchardt ??? Karl Ritter von Riedl Otto Ritter von Rauchenberger Karl Ritter von ???? Eugen Ritter von Clauß Hermann Beeg ???? Karl Graf Wolfskeel von Reichenberg Hans Freiherr von ????? Oskar Reuter Otto Ritter von Breitkopf Edited June 2, 2012 by ccj
Glenn J Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 Charles, Bernhard von Hartz Friedrich Hurt Exz. = Exzellenz (excellency); title awarded on promotion to Generalleutnant. Regards Glenn
Dave Danner Posted June 2, 2012 Posted June 2, 2012 Hermann Feiherr von Stein Philipp von[1] Hellingrath Konrad Krafft von Dellmensingen Bernhard von Hartz Paul Ritter von Kneussl Nikolaus Ritter von Endres Friedrich Hurt Hugo Ritter von Huller Otto Ritter von JÄGER Otto Schlosser ???? Hermann Burchardt ??? Karl Ritter von Riedl Otto Ritter von Rauchenberger Karl Ritter von ???? Eugen Ritter von Clauß Hermann Beeg ???? Karl Graf Wolfskeel von Reichenberg Hans Freiherr von ????? Oskar Reuter Hermann Freiherr von Stein - 11.2.1859-26.2.1928 - General der Artillerie on 28.5.18 Philipp von Hellingrath - 22.2.1862-13.12.1939 - General der Kavallerie on 28.5.18 Konrad Krafft von Dellmensingen - 24.11.1862-21.2.1953 - General der Infanterie on 8.8.18 (ernannt) Bernhard von Hartz - 12.4.1862-xx.xx.1944 Paul Ritter von Kneußl - 27.6.1862-16.2.1928 - char. General der Infanterie on 18.8.19 Nikolaus Ritter von Endres - 25.10.1862-23.9.1938 Friedrich Hurt - 20.3.1859-4.10.1941 Hugo Ritter von Huller - 26.11.1859-12.7.1931 Otto Ritter von Jäger - 18.3.1861-26.7.1941 Otto Schlosser - 31.8.1862-??? Hermann Ritter von Burkhardt - 26.8.1861-9.9.1942 Karl Ritter von Riedl - 9.6.1862-20.11.1919 Otto Ritter von Rauchenberger - 11.09.1864-7.8.1942 Karl Ritter von Schoch - 5.8.1863-10.10.1940 Eugen Ritter von Clauß - 25.10.1862-23.2.1942 Hermann Beeg - 24.11.1861-30.12.1932 Karl Graf Wolffskeel von Reichenberg - 18.4.1847-13.3.1919 Hans Freiherr von Laßberg - 18.1.1854-18.2.1952 Oskar Reuter - 3.1.1862-??? I'm not sure why some are crossed out. In some cases, they died, but the dates of death were much later. But several others whose names aren't crossed out were also dead by the same point as some whose names are.
ccj Posted June 2, 2012 Author Posted June 2, 2012 I think there may have been more but maybe they aren't listed due to death before 1918 or possible retirement. I've been trying to look at each to see if I can determine which are from Munich area. Seems a hard task.
ccj Posted June 3, 2012 Author Posted June 3, 2012 Bavarian GenLt field grey Tunic ( Bav Litewka 1916)
Glenn J Posted June 3, 2012 Posted June 3, 2012 Charles there will be more - when you include all the recalled general officers who served during the war. The Ehrenrangliste alone lists a furthe 58 officers who were recalled and either died in the rank of or attained by wars end the rank of Generalleutnant. Of course not all of these were of noble birth. Regards Glenn
ccj Posted June 3, 2012 Author Posted June 3, 2012 Yes, I've found a few more and try to discount those who are not noble (von titles I assume) but I was hoping not that many possible. With this many I'll have my work cut out for me.
ccj Posted June 5, 2012 Author Posted June 5, 2012 Well, it's either one of these 3 listed below or another aristocrat that was not awarded a Max-Joseph or PlM. How hard is it to find out if any are from Munich? Bernhard von Hartz Karl Freiherr von Nagel zu Aichberg Gustav Scanzoni von Lichtenfels
Dave Danner Posted June 5, 2012 Posted June 5, 2012 Bernhard von Hartz was born in Munich, as were both of his children. Karl Freiherr von Nagel zu Aichberg was born in Amberg. He married an American woman in Munich. His surviving daughters married non-Germans and ended up moving to, and dying in, the USA. Gustav Scanzoni von Lichtenfels was born in Würzburg. His son Albert was also born in Würzburg, but resided in Munich. I don't think Albert had any children.
ccj Posted June 6, 2012 Author Posted June 6, 2012 http://home.comcast.net/~jcviser/aka/hartz.htm http://home.comcast.net/~jcviser/divb/nagel_karl.htm http://home.comcast.net/~jcviser/divb/scanzoni.htm Short bios of these.
ccj Posted June 7, 2012 Author Posted June 7, 2012 April 15, 1918 seniority list: Can someone tell me the awards of GenLt von Hartz? I can't tell
KIR Posted June 7, 2012 Posted June 7, 2012 Can someone tell me the awards of GenLt von Hartz? I can't tell Charles, I send you a PM with the Stammrollen! Best regards, Jens
ccj Posted June 16, 2012 Author Posted June 16, 2012 I think its down to Genlt von Hartz Can someone help me ID the awards? I've started but even with the common abreviations I have trouble
ccj Posted January 13, 2013 Author Posted January 13, 2013 I'm bringing this topic back to ask if I can get further help from you men who has such vast knowledge. I may be completely wrong but I' thinking the owner was von Hartz Munich resident Aristocrat GenLt Did not possess the Max-J or the PlM Family still live in Manor outside Munich, have been unable to confirm this... But that not much to go on but I've not found a better match. http://home.comcast.net/~jcviser/aka/hartz.htm
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