dedehansen Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Hello Gentlemen, recently I got this nice and rare document group from a Kiautschou fighter and at a later date prisoner of war in Japan 1920 he returned to Germany. 1. The front page from his membership register Bund der Deckoffiziere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share Posted October 26, 2012 2. His personal data from his membership register Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share Posted October 26, 2012 3. His wounded badge document for two injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share Posted October 26, 2012 4. His award document iron cross second class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share Posted October 26, 2012 5. His award document iron cross first class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share Posted October 26, 2012 6. The correspondence letter for promotion to second lieutenant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share Posted October 26, 2012 7. His patent for promotion to second lieutenant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share Posted October 26, 2012 8. His award document for 25 years service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share Posted October 26, 2012 and finally 9. His document for the colonial badge exposed by the Kiautschoustelle I hope You like them too ! Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 That is a very, very cool group indeed.... I know someone who is green wih envy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Green indeed. YES. I do like them! The EK1 and wound badge documents are outstanding. The Colonial doc sometimes had a stamp certification as well, but no problem. I can't read the last name...otherwise I might have been able to tell you more about the gent. Let me know if your source for this group had any friends that might be looking for a new home. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share Posted October 27, 2012 Hello Claudius, his name was Ernst Graumann He joined the marine 08.04.1889 and was promoted to Obersteuermann 01.01.1904 Before 1. WW he allready had the Centenarmedaille, Dienstauszeichnung 15 Years and Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen in Silber, I think that these documents were lost at Kiautschou in 1914 . Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Ahh...Great. Yes, my Library of Congress source copy says he was at Kurume POW camp as prisoner #3352 Hometown: Geestemünde Outstanding group! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted November 2, 2012 Author Share Posted November 2, 2012 Ahh...Great. Yes, my Library of Congress source copy says he was at Kurume POW camp as prisoner #3352 Hometown: Geestemünde Outstanding group! Thanks Claudius, I knew that he has been in Kurume, but I didn´t know his prisoner number. This week I got an other part. Have a look. It is the correspondence from the Reichswehrministerium Kiautschoustelle were he has to buy the Kolonialabzeichen an for which price. Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Thanks Claudius, I knew that he has been in Kurume, but I didn´t know his prisoner number. This week I got an other part. Have a look. It is the correspondence from the Reichswehrministerium Kiautschoustelle were he has to buy the Kolonialabzeichen an for which price. Regards Andreas VERY NICE. This is, of course, the authorization from the Ministry to purchase the Colonial badge, the so-called Elephant badge from the Sculptor Karl Möbius. Do I understand correctly? Is there an increase in the price? With someone writing in 27.50 M? I really like the document and with the recipient’s name at the bottom. Prima! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted November 3, 2012 Author Share Posted November 3, 2012 Yes Claudius, there is an handwritten correction from the price from 25.- M to 27,20.- M and a high shipping charge with 3,50 .- M. For the price is written vorläufig that means preliminary Between the printing from the document and the date from awarding there is an increase in the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytop Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Hi, it is the early time of the inflation in Germany, see the listing in the middle: http://de.wikipedia....n_1914_bis_1923 Uwe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 Thanks Uwe for information about the inflation in Germany @ Claudius a scan from the modified Verfügung with a change in the date and the P.A. , do You know something about this. I´ve never seen this before. Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Thanks Uwe for information about the inflation in Germany @ Claudius a scan from the modified Verfügung with a change in the date and the P.A. , do You know something about this. I´ve never seen this before. Regards Andreas Hello Andreas; Yes, I do have something to say about this topic. I own a several Tsingtau document groups and have had the pleasure to see a few others. While I can’t claim to have seen every Tsingtau group, in my opinion, the EK2 was awarded to EVERY German combatant POW. (any Tsingtau group that doesn’t have the document with it is because it was lost or separated.) I believe that upon their return, the German Ministry authorized the awarding of the EK2 to all defenders of the Kiautschou Protectorate. It is my opinion, that the “PA 7586” dated “September 16th, 1920” is that statute from the Ministry that authorized the awarding of EKIIs to the defenders of the Kiautschou Protectorate. One of my document groups has a Preliminary EK2 document. It isn’t as ornate as an award document, but it has a lot more discussion on the document. It also specifically mentions this “PA 7586” “dated September 16th, 1920”. The EXACT same code and date on Graumann's document (and all Tsingtau EKII documents). I had wanted to include a photo of the document here for you today, but domestic events prevented me from accessing the group and taking the photo. Regarding your EK1 document, it has the “PA 7456” authorized on “September 16th, 1920” language crossed out. The “PA 7456” were the authorized conditions that would have to be fulfilled for an applicant to be awarded the EK1. It is this Statute that is crossed out on Herr Graumann’s EKI document. Clearly, Herr Graumann didn’t qualify for the EKI, under the previously approved statute (PA 7456). Fortunately for Herr Graumann, on December 20th 1920, they approved Statute “PA 11606” and Herr Graumann fulfilled those conditions and he was awarded the EKI. But I don’t know what Statute “PA 11606” from December 20th, 1920 says. The earlier Statutes “PA 7456” and “PA 7586” were general enough to cover the very many different ways a person can earn the EKI and the EKII, after the war. The later “PA 11606” Statute was possibly approved when it was noticed that the “PA 7456” missed a condition that the Ministry wanted to cover. It is likely that it is a very specific condition and if we knew what it was, it would provide a remarkable insight as to what Herr Graumann did to earn his EKI. I hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 Thanks Claudius, a friend off mine told me that this PA may be could be found at Freiburg. KR Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Thanks Claudius, a friend off mine told me that this PA may be could be found at Freiburg. KR Andreas Hello; That would be great. I would like to see all three of these PAs. PA 7586 PA 7456 PA 11606 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 This book may be of interest http://www.ebay.de/itm/Der-Flieger-von-Tsingtau-Buch-von-1916-27-/130811841571?pt=Militaria&hash=item1e74fe4c23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) This book may be of interest http://www.ebay.de/i...=item1e74fe4c23 I have not read that book. This is the book I own. (the ebay book is just one i found for sale, I'm not selling mine) Signed by the author. I talked to him some years ago....I should perhaps look him up again. http://www.ebay.de/i...=item19cff985e7 It's not surprising, but in my hunt for Tsingtau groups, Gunther Plüschow group would be very BIG! Edited November 30, 2012 by Claudius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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