srdjanoz Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) Greetings Emanuel, I saw that medal bar, I think it was sold for somewhere about 200$. What do you think about this one? Same seller, no "hooks" for medals and a bit sloppy sewing. Some of the ribbons were identified by the seller, he said that all of them are from Obrenovic era except 1913 war commemorative medal (+Red Cross medal). Anyway If I am not mistaken this bar is consisting of: --White Eagle --Takovo Cross --St. Sava --Aleksandar Obrenovic coronation medal (according to seller) --Silver bravery medal (1876, 1877-78, 1885-86) --1876-78 war commemorative medal (according to seller) [on non-combatants ribbon?] --1885-1886 war commemorative medal --Serbian Red Cross medal (white, peace-time ribbon) [if this ribbon was for a cross, not medal, I think it wouldn't have been on the place before the last] --1913 war commemorative medal Does anyone happen to have a complete order of precedence for Serbian (Obrenovic dynasty era) and then later Yugoslav (Karadjordjevic dynasty era) decorations? I would be very grateful is someone could share it with us. Regards, Radmilo http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_11_2012/post-7937-0-14870100-1351784435.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_11_2012/post-7937-0-71128500-1351784444.jpg Greetings Radmilo, Here is the table of rank decree for military orders and medals from 1939. For Obrenovich period I'll need extra time to dig it out from my computer and library. Rank decree for Military orders and medals (1939) Rank decree for Military orders and medals (1939) 1 Star of Karageorge with Swards 1st Class 2 Star of Karageorge 1st Class 3 Star of Karageorge with Swards 2nd Class 4 Star of Karageorge 2nd Class 5 Order of White Eagle with Swards 1st Class 6 Order of White Eagle 1st Class 7 Star of Karageorge with Swards 3rd Class 8 Star of Karageorge 3rd Class 9 Order of White Eagle with Swards 2nd Class 10 Order of White Eagle 2nd Class 11 Order of Yugoslav Crown 1st Class 12 Order of St. Sava 1st Class 13 Star of Karageorge with Swards 4th Class 14 Star of Karageorge 4th Class 15 Order of White Eagle with Swards 3rd Class 20 Order of White Eagle 3rd Class 21 Order of Yugoslav Crown 2nd Class 22 Order of St. Sava 2nd Class 23 Order of White Eagle with Swards 4th 24 Order of White Eagle 4th Class 25 Order of Yugoslav Crown 3rd Class 26 Order of St. Sava 3rd Class 27 Order of White Eagle with Swards 5th Class 28 Gold military star of Karageorge with swards 29 Silver military star of Karageorge with swards 30 Order of White Eagle 5th Class 31 Order of Yugoslav Crown 4th Class 32 Order of St. Sava 4th Class 33 Order of Yugoslav Crown 5th Class 34 Order of St. Sava 5th Class 35 Gold medal for bravery 36 Silver medal for bravery 37 Medal for coronation of Peter the I 38 Albanian retreat medal 39 Medal for military virtue 40 Gold medal for zealous service 41 Silver medal for zealous service 42 Gold medal for civil merit 43 Silver medal for civil merit 44 Cross for charity 45 Commemorative medal for 1912 war 46 Commemorative medal for 1913 war 47 Commemorative medal for 1914-1918 war 48 Order of Red Cross 49 Gold medal of Red Cross 50 Silver medal of Red Cross 51 Bronze medal of Red Cross 52 Other commemorative medals; i.e medal for liberation of southern land; medal for liberation of northern parts, civil medal (royal household medals), medals for soldiers (sharp shooter medal etc.) Serbian medal bar: Star of Karageorge with Swards 4th Class; Star of Karageorge 4th Class; Order of White Eagle with Swards 4th Class; Order of White Eagle with Swards 5th Class; Order of White Eagle with Swards 5th Class; Gold military star of Karageorge with swards; Silver military star of Karageorge with swards; Order of White Eagle 5th Class; Order of Yugoslav Crown 4th Class; Order of St. Sava 4th Class; Order of Yugoslav Crown 5th Class; Order of St. Sava 5th Class; Gold medal for bravery; Silver medal for bravery; Medal for coronation of Peter the I; Albanian retreat medal; Medal for military virtue; Gold medal for zealous service; Silver medal for zealous service; Gold medal for civil merit; Silver medal for civil merit; Cross for charity; Commemorative medal for 1912 war; Commemorative medal for 1913 war; Commemorative medal for 1914-1918 war; Order of Red Cross; Gold medal of Red Cross; Silver medal of Red Cross; Bronze medal of Red Cross Regards Srdjan Edited November 11, 2012 by srdjanoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) Srdjane thank you so much! I was looking for it for quite some time now... Considering how much the order of precedence is important and that it can be very useful to other members of the forum I suggest that we make a new, separate topic about it. I don't want to take the credit for your work so it would be nice if you could find some time to start that topic yourself. I was able to find the order of precedence from 1883, I will post it here soon. Kind regards, Radmilo Edited November 11, 2012 by paja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Rank and precedence of the Royal Orders from 1883: 01: Order of the White Eagle 1. grade 02: Order of the White Eagle 2. grade 03: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 1. grade 04: Order of the Cross of Takovo 1. grade and Order of the White Eagle 3. grade 05: Order of St. Sava 1. grade 06: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 2. grade 07: Order of the Cross of Takovo 2. grade 08: Order of St. Sava 2. grade 09: Order of the White Eagle 4. grade 10: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 3. grade 11: Order of the Cross of Takovo 3. grade 12: Order of St. Sava 3. grade 13: Order of the White Eagle 5. grade 14: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 4. grade 15: Order of the Cross of Takovo 4. grade 16: Order of St. Sava 4. grade 17: Order of the Cross of Takovo with Swords 5. grade 18: Order of the Cross of Takovo 5. grade 19: Order of St. Sava 5. grade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Same seller - new bar. Sold for 50$. On the first place is, according to the seller, Golden 1885-86 bravery medal, but it could also be for the Medal for diligent service in war. On the second place is Commemorative medal for the restoration of the Kingdom (4 red and 3 white stripes) and on the last place is Medal for merit towards the Royal House (Obrenovic era type). On the back side are ribbons for Hindenburg Cross if I'm not mistaken (maybe some other decorations had the same ribbon?). If authentic very interesting medal bar for scarce decorations. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-7937-0-36402600-1358115845.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-7937-0-35700700-1358115868.jpg http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-7937-0-42571900-1358115930.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-7937-0-57429600-1358115957.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Similar medal bar was shown to us by bovec1313 (topic: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/42307-serbia-what-is-this-war-medal/) Commemorative medal for the restoration of the Kingdom, recently sold on ebay for 3700$! http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-7937-0-68900700-1358116291.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-7937-0-83487700-1358116315.jpg This one was sold I think in 2005 in Serbia for 1800 euros. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-7937-0-00828600-1358116919.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-7937-0-99278400-1358116933.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Medal for diligent service in war (1885-86), again ebay, 700$. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-7937-0-81352300-1358117374.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-7937-0-75344700-1358117397.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Golden bravery medal (but 1877-78, not that rare as the 1885-86 medal), Barac & Pervan, December 2012, 350 euros. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-7937-0-61426100-1358118009.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-7937-0-32429100-1358118028.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) By the way, this might be interesting to you in case you haven't seen it before, one more "empty" medal bar. This one was sold on one Serbian auction site for around 150 euros.0001.jpg Now with decorations, it was recently on sale. On 6th place wrong medal. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-7937-0-76421500-1358118337.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-7937-0-18397500-1358118372.jpg Edited January 13, 2013 by paja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hipnos Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 That is an example, at the "Liverpool Medals" company, that shows the Albanian retreat medal in the FIRST place, even before a M. Obilich medal.... That´s odd enought!!! Miguel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 Greetigns Miguel, The medal Bar as it is, it's original construction,no doubt about it, just I think there is an addition when it comes to medals itself. For example ,the 4th and the last one doesn't fit in this medal Bar (4th is the Best shooter medal where it should be the Silver Medal for Zealous Service and the last one is the Commemorative medal of Serbian Turkish War where it should be the WW I Commemorative King Peter's Cross 1914-1918). We have several examples that the Albanian retreat medal of Serbia Kingdom attached in wrong places, what we have here seems is a low rank officer that had big adventures and troubles during Albania Golgotha passing, thus for him,this medal have special weight, thus special treatment at first place on his Bar instead of the Milos Obilic Gold Bravery medal of WW I as you wisely noticed. NOT SO uncommon I should add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paja Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Greetings gentlemen, I agree with Emanuel, looks genuine to me. When you take a look at the back side of the medal bar you can see that the Albanian retreat medal was added later. It could be that it was the last award that person received and then just placed on the already existing medal bar (in my opinion better there, on the first place, than on the last one). Stranger thing about this medal bar is that the Obilić medal is placed after Medal for military merits and Medal for zealous service... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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