EK 1914 Heavy EK2

[Dwayneski]

Dear fellow forum members,

I recently purchased my third 1914 EK2, and I immediately noticed it was way heavier than the other two. Also, the design of the core and the core itself seems to be thicker. Furthermore, the edges of the frame seem to be 'sharper' or rougher cut. The weight of this cross is 20 grams and the weight of the other two is 17 to 18 grams. Does one of you know how to explain the difference?

It's the 'dark' slightly eroded one in the pictures, the one in my hand.

Thanks in advance for the replies!

Edited January 7, 2013 by Nick

[Dwayneski]

And another picture.

[Dwayneski]

And the last one. The mentioned cross is the 2nd one in this stash.

[gregM]

There can be a lot of difference in ww1 crosses.

An early cross with a silver frame and cast iron core will

weigh more than one with a stamped thin sheet metal core or

one with a thinner or non-silver frame.

[Dwayneski]

Thanks for your reply! So this would be an early war type? Are there any good books where I can find references?

[Chris Boonzaier]

Thanks for your reply! So this would be an early war type?

IMHO very hard to say.... if a maker was a Quality fanatic he could make heavy pieces from 1914-1934 or even later....

[gregM]

Are there any good books where I can find references?

Not yet but one is being written as we speak.

[Glenn R]

Dwayneski, thanks for sharing your crosses first of all! There is such an infinite variety of 1914 crosses. As Greg says, materials vary greatly from the core to the frames also the dimensions so it really is often very difficult to be definitive. It is a nice uncleaned cross and I like the photo of the three together.

There is a lot of really good EK knowledge here so I hope you will enjoy sharing your crosses and knowledge.

All the best

[gregM]

If you were to so us a nice straight on close up of the front of

the cross, someone might be able to identify the maker for you.

[Glenn R]

Good idea Greg. Some clearer pics of the cross may just help identify it.

[Dwayneski]

Thanks for your usefull replies! I am not at home right now, but I will make better pictures when I get there tomorrow. I think this latest cross is certainly my favourite, also because it is not cleaned.

Do you guys have any idea when the book is going to be published? Although I don't have the means to purchase lots of new crosses in the near future (I'm a student still), I would certainly be interested.

[Dwayneski]

It was dark already when I got home today, so the pictures are not very good. I will make more pictures tomorrow when there is daylight.

And I found another cross today, and couldn't resist to buying it for the price of whole 10 euros. It only misses its ring.

[Chris Boonzaier]

Do you guys have any idea when the book is going to be published? Although I don't have the means to purchase lots of new crosses in the near future (I'm a student still), I would certainly be interested.

Hi,

A new German one is coming out soon, and a FFew of us have been working on a new English language work, just waiting to see what the German language one brings before recalibrating our direction...

[Dwayneski]

Hello Chris,

Thanks for your reply. I can read German, so that is no problem for me (I'll have to, since I study military history and am specializing on German WWII). I'll certainly look out for it.

[gregM]

The core design of your cross is the same as one of the variations

used by the company "Sy-Wagner" and also by "Wagner and Sohn". It

may also be used by others but this will give you a place to start

your search.

[Dwayneski]

Sorry for my late reply, but thanks GregM! My search is on!