Japan Japanese Orders in Tamatebako Miyake (Boxes for Nobles and Foreigners)

[PATOUT]

Hi Nick,

Thanks a lot for this photo that I will keep in my archives...

have a good  nice weekend,

Regards

Patout

 

 

[ghp95134]

On 03/11/2016 at 06:20, JapanX said:

 

By the way, it`s interesting how they tried to translate his name Fournon in japanese.

In document we see 

佛蘭西國人 (France / France people )

and his name in katakana 

フIルノソヲ

Not very close 

I would expect something like  

フォアノン

Cheers,

Nick

Hello Nick,

With respect, the katakana is accurate: フールノン [fuurunon].  ヲ is the katakana for the particle "wo"; today the hiragana for the particle を is used.

I really appreciate reading this entire page.  I recently bought a 4th class tamatebukuro, but it is in poor condition without the insert and the ties have been replaced.  Now I know what it is.  I suppose it will make a good jewelry box!  (^__^)

Cheers,

-- Guy Power

[JapanX]

Still a nice and pretty rare case for the 4th class of rising sun order.

Guy, are these kanji in silver?

From this angle they look like a gold ones.

[ghp95134]

Hi Nick, and thanks for the response.  The kanji are so faded -- it looks like someone tried to polish them and the original color is mostly gone.  I think I see traces of gold, though.  If they were silver, what would that indicate; a more precise date of manufacture?

I'm giving this to a friend who collects Japanese medals .... will it be a good present?  It cost me $20 as I recall.

Thanks,

-- Guy

Edited August 14, 2020 by ghp95134

[JapanX]

39 minutes ago, ghp95134 said:

 If they were silver, what would that indicate; a more precise date of manufacture?

That would be very strange since all cases that I`ve seen (or own) have gold kanji.

39 minutes ago, ghp95134 said:

I'm giving this to a friend who collects Japanese medals .... will it be a good present?  It cost me $20 as I recall.

 

No doubt about it 

Best,

Nick

[ghp95134]

 Thanks.

[No one]

Dear Gentlemen,

A tamatebako (玉手箱) is a "jeweled hand box", "jewel box", "jeweled box", "treasure box", "casket" etc..

 

In the Japanese folk tale "Urashima Tarō", the hero, Urashima Tarō, receives a tamatebako from the mistress of the sea (Otohime), after his stay at the Dragon Palace (or Hōrai), to which he was invited after saving a turtle.

 

 

ghp95134 wrote:

"Hello Nick,

With respect, the katakana is accurate: フールノン [fuurunon].  ヲ is the katakana for the particle "wo"; today the hiragana for the particle を is used."

 

He is right:

 

 

Yours sincerely,

No one

[pieter1012]

Reviving this interesting topic.

Here an example of an earlyRising Sun 5th class in a Tamatebako case with red tassels, and an Emperor Meiji signed document to a German engineer. The early lower classes of the Order of the Rising Sun had cases decorated with pauwlonia flowers, with the grade written inside. Later this was limited to the third class upwards.

As for the Sacred Treasure, the lower classes in Tamatebako cases, have always had the grade written on the lid. From third class upwards they followed the pattern of the Rising Sun, with the difference that the tassels are purple. By the way, I have never seen a ladies version of the Sacred Treasure in a Tamatebako case. If anyone has a picture os a ladies Sacred Treasure in such a case, I would love to see it.

Regards, Pieter