Queen's Regulations

[Spasm]

Can someone help?

I've at last found some of my Grandfather's service records but am puzzled by an entry. It states "Para 2,c Section XIX Queens Regulations 1895" against an entry of reverting to Private from Drummer. (Obviously in trouble for something again - seems to have reverted to Private quite a lot from what I can see).

Can anyone tell me what paragraph 2,c of Section 19 of Queens Regulations say? I can't find them on t'tinternet.

Thanks

Spaz

Edited January 25, 2013 by Spasm

[paul wood]

If me memory serves me well section 19 involves quarrels and disturbances not involving insubordination to officers but I may be wrong.

[peter monahan]

A mean drunk? Not to impugne your lineage, Spaz, but you know... soldiers.. liquor... fighting in the canteen...

[Spasm]

Ah, that seems to make sense given the other....erm...mishaps and court of enquiries where it states "he was not on duty at the time" and "the injury will not affect his duties as a soldier". Although, to be fair, the last one actually ended in his death.

Still, he seems to have been a bit of a rough one.

[Spasm]

sorry agaion

Edited November 24, 2023 by Spasm

[Spasm]

yes sorry

Edited November 24, 2023 by Spasm

[Spasm]

more elbows

 

 

Edited November 24, 2023 by Spasm

[Spasm]

The Southampton newspaper articles on the court trial

It actually says Woolley Bully - now I know where the song originates

[Graham Stewart]

Briliant piece of work - really put's the meat on the bones of your grandfather and it doesn't really matter if his record of service wasn't 'exemplary', he is still someone to be proud of. I recently discovered that my grandmother on my fathers side had ended up in the 'Workhouse' in Durham City, along with her mother and siblings. Originally I thought she'd been widowed and destitute or whatever - however it appears her husband may have booted them all out of his home, where he was still living with own mother and sister. Even my own father didn't know this, but I find it fascinating.

[Chris Boonzaier]

I now see why Spasm and family tried to make a clean start and moved to South Africa ;-)

[Spasm]

elbows

 

Edited November 24, 2023 by Spasm

[Mervyn Mitton]

Could it be a case of - ' Grandson like Grandfather ' ? No - never - not our Spasm.....................

[peter monahan]

Spaz

My aging eyes couldn't make out the text in the newspaper clippings. Any chance of a precis on the origins of Wooley Bully? That one's bugged me for years - every time I hear the song.

As to distinguished ancestors, just remember that for every recognized hero there were another bunch of blokes following behind and holding his coat and such. So you can say, with understandable pride, "Grandad was one of the other blokes!"

[Spasm]

Edited November 24, 2023 by Spasm

[Spasm]

So, a bit more on family matters (my Dad) that hopefully some of ya'll can put a bit of meat on as far as squadrons etc are concerned.

I've been doing a bit of scratching and will, eventually, get the records from the MOD and then claim/buy his medals as I think the ones I have are actually one of my uncle's.

I'm trying to piece together little bits and bobs that I remember my Dad talking about as he wasn't too forthcoming about anything.

It looks like my Dad joined the airforce in 1940 (as found on AIR78 from the National Archives - what a rubbish website for IT useless people to search) at Uxbridge, although I'm not sure of this. He ended up in the Rock Apes (RAF Regiment) although he did tell me he served as mid upper gunner in Blenheims and front observer/gunner in Walruses (need to get more info on this). He said it was bloody cold and wet in the Walrus chained into the front seat. He also said it was cold flying nights in the Blemheim as he stuffed newspaper into all the gaps to stop the draughts. He had to get them out quick if attacked. When I asked if he shot anything down (as a kid all you want know is the action bits) he said there was no chance to hit anything - as fighters were too quick - other than shooting out searchlights as he could shoot right down the beam of light. He had a big scar on his chin where he says one of the guns jammed and as as he tried to clear it in a panic it went off in the breach.

The first squadron I've tracked him to is 2867 LAA which was formed in Pillipiville in North Africa and then went off to Italy in 1943. During his time in North Africa he described to me an incident of when a Flt Lieut was killed. I've found the following to confirm what he said from "Through Adversity" a history of the Royal Air Force Regiment by Kingsley M Oliver. I can't say that this was the exact incident but these sort of things couldn't be that common.

'The success of this campaign, for the first units of the RAF Regiment to be committed to battle was marred by a tragic incident in North Africa in May 1943. Flight Lieutenant AG Onley, commanding 4347 AA flight was preparing to hear a charge of dereliction of duty against one of his men when the airman concerned loaded his sten gun and fired a burst of 9mm rounds into the Orderly Room tent. Onley died of his wounds shortly afterwards and the airman was subsequently found guilty of murder by a court-martial'

My Dad described it, as far as I remember, as - 'this Flight Lue was a right git and this guy really hated him cause he was such a tit and says he's had enough of him, he picks up his tommy gun and lets him have the whole clip. The Flight Lue was sitting at the front of the tent and it blew him out the back flaps. The guy gives himself up and is done for murder and sentenced to death by firing squad. His own unit's men were to be the firing squad. When we guarded him there was no door on the cell and we could've just said get on your toes but we didn't otherwise they would have known who'd let him go. We were told that one of the firing squad would be issued with a blank so you could think that it may not have been you that had shot him but everyone knows when you're firing a blank. They put a target over his heart and because he was your mate you didn't want him to suffer so everyone hit the mark.'

I suspect this was the same incident although I can find no other reference to it.