lambert Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Hi All Recently acquired this document, Certificate of Italian Victory Medal.This is the first certificate that I got. Lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) January 29, 1923 I do not know much about these certificates, I believe that is not only interesting in them the names of the soldiers of the Great War, but also the signature of the master or the 1st Minister? Edited October 10, 2013 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_10_2013/post-3085-0-60140700-1381417538.jpgLambert,It is for the Italian War Medal, not the Victory Medal but still extremely nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) hi Paul.This is the right model for diploma Army Victory Medal. There is a degree to commemorative War Medal 1915 - 1918 is different. the certificate says "LA MEDAGLIA A RICORDO DELLA GVERRA EVROPEA - MCMXIV - MXMXVIII " (medal victory) both treated as "ricordo" (remembrance) medal. Attestation of commemorative medal: "DECRETA .... È AVTORIZZATO A FREGIARSI DELLA DELLA MEDAGLIA ISTITVITA A RICORDO GVERRA MCMXV - MCMXVIII " Later this law received a stamp, allowing also the Victory Medal, so a Double Degree. Best Regards Lambert photoshttp://www.medailles1914-1918.fr/italie-commemora.html Edited October 11, 2013 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wood Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 My apologies Lambert I assumed if it was the victory medal the final date would be MCMXIX as 1919 was the effective date of the end of WWI with the signing of the Versailles Treaty.Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 My apologies Lambert I assumed if it was the victory medal the final date would be MCMXIX as 1919 was the effective date of the end of WWI with the signing of the Versailles Treaty. Paul No problem. Best regards Lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudio2574 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 If you take a look to the first page of this topic, you can find the images of both Italian Interallied medal diplomas, the one for the Army and the second for the Navy. Both have the "signature" of the Ministers - actually both are stamps. The commemorative medal diploma has the years 1915-1918 (24th May 1915 was the declaration of war from Italy to Austria, 4th Nov 1918 was the surrending of Austria). The clasps were 1915,1916,1917,1918 and, unofficially, 1919 and 1920 (Albania). The Interallied medal and diploma have the years 1914-1918, but there is one variant of the medal with the years 1915-1918. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) The Interallied medal and diploma have the years 1914-1918, but there is one variant of the medal with the years 1915-1918. Hello Sergioyou could talk more variant of the Victory Medal (1915-1918)? you have pictures of this medal? Lambert Edited October 11, 2013 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudio2574 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) Thank you for your interest. According to the book of Scarpa-Sézanne, there are 6 variants of the medal: - basic: no words - 1: "G.Orsolini mod." on the obverse - 2: "G.Orsolini mod." / "S.Johnson-Milano" on the obverse, "G.Villa inc." on the reverse - 3: "G.Orsolini mod." / "F.M.Lorioli & Castelli-Milano" on the obverse - 4: "G.Orsolini mod." / "Sacchini-Milano" on the obverse, "G.Villa inc." on the reverse - 5: no words, On the obverse the years are MCMXV - MCMXVIII Unfortunately I do not have the variant 5, so I cannot post its image. In my collection there are the variants 1 to 4 only. May be it is interesting that two more medals exists. They were proposed, but not accepted, so they are really scarce. No photos of this variant, the drawing comes from the book of Scarpa-Sézanne: The last variant was sold on ebay some years ago for some 300 euros. Here is its picture. For me it is the most beautiful. Edited October 11, 2013 by claudio2574 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Michel Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) Hello Claudio, I totally agree with you, the last variant is truly the most beautiful. Regards Jean-Michel Edited October 12, 2013 by Jean-Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Michel Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Hello, I present a variant of French degree beautifully illustrated. Regards Jean-Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnymac Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Thank you for your interest. According to the book of Scarpa-Sézanne, there are 6 variants of the medal: - basic: no words - 1: "G.Orsolini mod." on the obverse - 2: "G.Orsolini mod." / "S.Johnson-Milano" on the obverse, "G.Villa inc." on the reverse - 3: "G.Orsolini mod." / "F.M.Lorioli & Castelli-Milano" on the obverse - 4: "G.Orsolini mod." / "Sacchini-Milano" on the obverse, "G.Villa inc." on the reverse - 5: no words, On the obverse the years are MCMXV - MCMXVIII Unfortunately I do not have the variant 5, so I cannot post its image. In my collection there are the variants 1 to 4 only. May be it is interesting that two more medals exists. They were proposed, but not accepted, so they are really scarce. No photos of this variant, the drawing comes from the book of Scarpa-Sézanne: The last variant was sold on ebay some years ago for some 300 euros. Here is its picture. For me it is the most beautiful. no words, #5 On the obverse the years are MCMXV - MCMXVIII Is this medal "real" I have never seen one? I have asked many to post one without an luck. Even LASLO does not have one in his book. so I ask why is there is no example of this medal available for us to see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudio2574 Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) Costantino Scarpa / Paolo Sézanne, together or not, published a set of books in the 80's for the Historical offices of Army, Navy and Air Force of Italy. Each volume is full of official references about the medals/ribbons and images. Usually they put only drawings and the photos (b/w) are the only poor element of each book. Here you can find some covers of their books. In the first book of this set the Interallied medal is described in detail (pages 125 and following). The table 25, hereafter, has the images of the three basic types. Only one of these types were actually accepted and it is the well known Italian interallied medal, with its 6 variants. The other two were proposed but never accepted, so there are really a few items of them. The picture shows also the type 5 (years 1915-1918) which is actually identical to the others in all its elements, but the years. Hope this can help. Edited October 12, 2013 by claudio2574 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) Hello Claudio.Thanks for posting this, I actually knew this kind of medal, the time I posted this in the following VIC Italian, but got no comment ... http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/49858-italian-victory-medals/page-7 #132 - 134 I think this medal could be classified in the category unofficial VIC as in French? Lambert Edited October 12, 2013 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claudio2574 Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) Hi Lambert. I suppose that your comments #132-134 are translations from my site http://www.faleristica.it . Type 2 and 3 medal are actually unofficial VIC. The difference from French ones is that they were never produced and distributed in significant numbers. Two years ago there was a discussion in an Italian forum about the medal. Here is the link: http://miles.forumcommunity.net/?t=44916321 In this topic, post #34, I wrote that the medal was sold for some 300 euros. Mistake. It was 400. Pls consider that Fiodor181 is a very well known collector, may be one of the top experts about Italian medals Edited October 13, 2013 by claudio2574 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Hello, I present a variant of French degree beautifully illustrated. Regards Jean-Michel Hi Jean. Good example, it's possible that now I sought some other certificates for my collection. Lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambert Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 (edited) Hi. Claudio. Please continue following Italian Victory Medal. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/49858-italian-victory-medals/page-8 Lambert Edited October 14, 2013 by lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Michel Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Hello, I have introduced you to post # 23 a Belgian diploma written in French. Here is a rare example written in Flemish. Regards Jean-Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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