johnnymac Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Also Bill, staying on subject, I would like to point out, this medal is not listed in Laslo's book. The Italian official type-3 has a twin official medal which was made and marked with a compact monogram from the firm, F.M. Lorioli & Castelli-Milano. Both the official type-3 & 3A medals are identical to each other except for the monogram used by Lorioli & Castelli. In my book World War I, Victory Medals, I listed and illustrated this second medal as the official type-3A. click photo to enlarge Edited October 24, 2014 by johnnymac
Bilco Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Jim, Rob, Many thanks for your comments. The photos serve to confirm that I have two Official Type2s. On the left-hand medal in my post # 172 the dots between the words at the bottom are very small and difficult to see, but they are there. The detail on the urn that you highlight, Jim , is very much less clear than on the right-hand one, too, but I shall go back to looking for the Reissues. Jim, both the medals I show have the curved line at the top that you mention, as does the Official Type 2 I've had for years. I do have both the Lorioli & Castelli long and short varieties, however, so I don't need to look for those! Bill Edited October 24, 2014 by Bilco
johnnymac Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) Bill, Manufacturers made not one or two but several medals that were unknown by Laslo in 1992. We post many of these new medals on GMIC all the time. From Laslo's book on the reissue type-1 he wrote, "Contemporary version By S. Johnson. Less detail than official issue." I find to be very vague. Based on his description this medal I listed as the reissue type-1 and mentioned by him, fits his description. Also the last two medals in the third illustration are missing the dots between the E & D. click to enlarge photo Edited October 25, 2014 by johnnymac
johnnymac Posted December 13, 2014 Posted December 13, 2014 I saw this on the WWW that's all I know about.
Bilco Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 Hi Jim, Is that a miniature? They came with all sorts of suspensions, from what I've seen. Bill
johnnymac Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) I did a google search, I then clicked the images and saw this, so I do not know. Miniature could be right as I do not collect them Jim Edited December 15, 2014 by johnnymac
RobW Posted December 15, 2014 Posted December 15, 2014 Jim, On I did a google search, I then clicked images and saw this, so I do not know. Miniature could be right a I do not collect them Jim It is indeed a miniature. They are seen with ball suspenders as well as thick wire/cylinder type suspenders. They are seen n a variety of diameters much like the French miniatures. Regards, Rob
Bilco Posted February 14, 2015 Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Hi Gents, I had something of a bonaza a week ago - I managed to acquire both the Reissue Type 1 and the Reissue Type 2, from different sources, within a couple of days. There are some interesting differences, both between the two of them and the Official Types: The Reissue Type 1. It has no dots between the lower 3 words at the bottom of the planchet reverse. The planchet is a coppery-bronze colour, with a thick staffa, but the most striking thing to me is how thin it is - 1.75mm, about half the Official Type. The detail is shallower than the Official types, and there are detail differences.. The Reissue Type 2. It has no maker or designer naming on the obverse, and the upper lettering on the reverse has serifs, unlike the Official types. The planchet again has a coppery tint, and there has been artificial darkening around the detail, which is quite sharp. The planchet is thick, but the staffa is thin and rather short, compared to the Official types. I've seen a couple of Italian vics which claim to have no manufacturer or designer naming, but the remains of incompletely erased lettering have still been visible, so I've turned them down. I've been looking for the Reissue Type 1 for some time, so I was very pleased to find one, and even more pleased that the Type 2 appeared at the same time. At least those fruitless hours spent scanning the sites of on-line dealers have finally paid off! All comments welcome. Bill Edited February 14, 2015 by Bilco
RobW Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 Bill, You have listed this italian vic as the reproduction type 4 in your book. Noting that your comments indicate it was sand casting and marked 'Made in France' could you provide details of the provenance and background of this example? Regards, Rob
johnnymac Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 Hi Rob I think you are asking about my book and not Bill's book, am I correct? The place of origin or the earliest history of this medal is unknown. Without the made in France stamp on the stirrup it would have been a total mystery. Here a closer view of the medal, I hope this helps. Regards, Jim
davidck Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 New acquisition: the "short" variant of the Lorioli-Castelli version. ' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">' alt='' class='ipsImage' width="1000px" height="750px">
Bilco Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 Just acquired - from the obverse a rather time-worn Johnson Italy Vic Official Type 2 ...... but the reverse shows it's had another use ...It came to me from Pakistan, but there must be a tale on how it got there. Was it used as an ID tag for an Indian Army POW in Italy in WW2? Or a tool board tag? Is there any clue in the number under the name - does it match any particular Indian Army regiment or corps?In any event, it's an intrigueing addition to the collection, and I'm wondering whether to put it on a ribbon or not. Any suggestions as to it's use? Bill
Paul Evenden Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 Here is my first offering to this section of the VM world .I believe it is a type 1 any observations will be greatly recieved hopefully more to come
lambert Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Just acquired - from the obverse a rather time-worn Johnson Italy Vic Official Type 2 ...... but the reverse shows it's had another use ...It came to me from Pakistan, but there must be a tale on how it got there. Was it used as an ID tag for an Indian Army POW in Italy in WW2? Or a tool board tag? Is there any clue in the number under the name - does it match any particular Indian Army regiment or corps?In any event, it's an intrigueing addition to the collection, and I'm wondering whether to put it on a ribbon or not. Any suggestions as to it's use? Bill Hello Bill.It is an interesting piece, I wonder how may have come to Pakistan or India. We will never know !! ..I think it should be preserved that same way, just let it rest in a lined box. as I do with my medals without the Ribbon Best Lambert
lambert Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Here is my first offering to this section of the VM world .I believe it is a type 1 any observations will be greatly recieved hopefully more to come Welcome Paul !! Lambert
oliver860 Posted October 12, 2016 Posted October 12, 2016 Good day! My recent purchase of the Italian medals. Note the distance between «ORSOLINI MOD» and «F.M. LORIOLLI & CASTELLI MILANO ». As well as the presence of a point after the word «MOD» first medal. The other two medals is no point!
RobW Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 19 hours ago, oliver860 said: Good day! My recent purchase of the Italian medals. Note the distance between «ORSOLINI MOD» and «F.M. LORIOLLI & CASTELLI MILANO ». As well as the presence of a point after the word «MOD» first medal. The other two medals is no point! Hello Oliver, You have managed to obtain all three of the sub-varieties of the Loriolli-Castelli version of the Italian vic. Interestingly the bottom of the three examples is a bit more difficult to locate than the top two. Regards, Rob
davidck Posted November 3, 2016 Posted November 3, 2016 Does anyone know the status of the "landing victory" medal listed in Laslo's book? He noted that it might have been an athletic award, which makes me wonder why he bothered including it at all, and I note it is not in Michels' book. Has this one been shown to not be a victory medal?
oliver860 Posted November 6, 2016 Posted November 6, 2016 Hello! My medal. Reissue Type 1 Regards, Oliver
lambert Posted November 7, 2016 Posted November 7, 2016 On 03/11/2016 at 18:42, davidck said: Does anyone know the status of the "landing victory" medal listed in Laslo's book? He noted that it might have been an athletic award, which makes me wonder why he bothered including it at all, and I note it is not in Michels' book. Has this one been shown to not be a victory medal? Hi There is some image of it? Lambert 20 hours ago, oliver860 said: Hello! My medal. Reissue Type 1 Regards, Oliver Very good .. very sharp detail. Lambert
davidck Posted November 7, 2016 Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) Hi Lambert, the one I'm actually talking about is Laslo's unofficial type 4, which is a completely different design from the regular Italian medals, and has a blank reverse. He calls it "landing victory" in his table at the beginning of the Italy section of his book. Edited November 7, 2016 by davidck mistake about Laslo's descriptions
lambert Posted November 8, 2016 Posted November 8, 2016 Hi Davidck At some time I posted something about models of the Victory Medals Italia, found in the Italian book on their medals (immagine Scarpa-Sézanne "Le decorazioni del Regno di Sardegna e del Regno d'Italia - Commemorative - vol.2" - Tav. 25 ) .. I believe they were not approved for manufacture. And it is possible that it has never been produced beforehand. here But I do not have more information about the "landing victory". I have a friend who is Italian and collector of Medals. I'll talk to him, maybe he might know something. All the best Lambert
Bilco Posted November 9, 2016 Posted November 9, 2016 Liverpool Medals currently have a modern copy of this medal in their list ... The reverse is completely blank - Laslo shows the original was engrailed - with a ring of 95 raised dots around the circumference - with the centre blank. Liverpool Medals are asking £95 if you fancy a punt! Bill
davidck Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 20 hours ago, Bilco said: Liverpool Medals currently have a modern copy of this medal in their list ... The reverse is completely blank - Laslo shows the original was engrailed - with a ring of 95 raised dots around the circumference - with the centre blank. Liverpool Medals are asking £95 if you fancy a punt! Bill Thanks Bill. Is there any reason to think this was actually a victory medal? Laslo doesn't seem very sure.
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