Soviet Full Cavaliers of the Order of Glory - Present Day Market Realities

[Christian Zulus]

On 14/10/2021 at 01:42, slava1stclass said:

 

 

Gents,

 

  In a span of just over three years, this thread has been viewed an additional 50,000 times now hitting the 100,000 unique views mark - the first thread in GMIC's Russia forum to do so.  By far, it remains the Russia forum's most popular non-pinned active thread.

 

  Thank you for your continued interest.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass 

Dear Bruce, many thanks for your unique and first rate expertise in your thread and specially in your comprehensive book. Concerning ORDEN SLAVA you are the no. 1 expert in the world!

 

Kind regards from Vienna, Austria

 

Christian

[slava1stclass]

Gents,

 

  A nice photograph of Full Cavalier Pyotr Petrovich Paliy that sold at auction in the former Soyuz for $33.95 in late June this year.  The photograph dates to October 11, 1948. 

 

  Born in 1922, Paliy was a Guards sergeant serving as a mortar crew chief in a Guards mountain rifle regiment subordinate to a Guards mountain rifle division assigned to 3rd Mountain Rifle Corps, 1st Guards Army, 4th Ukrainian Front.  He was recommended for his OGI for valorous action in Slovakia in December 1944.  

 

  In addition to his three OGs, Paliy was also awarded an OPWII, ORS and BM during the war.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

Edited December 26, 2021 by slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

On 10/04/2018 at 08:20, slava1stclass said:

Gents,

 

  Five days prior to his OGI being approved on June 29, 1945, Senior Sergeant Писклов (Pisklov) marched in the historic June 24, 1945, Victory Parade on Red Square, Moscow.  He marched in the 1st Ukrainian Front's formation.  As addressed in my book, he numbers among the relatively few Full Cavaliers who marched in the Victory Parade.  This fact certainly adds another unique dimension to this set.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

Gents,

 

  This set finally sold via a West European dealer.  Sale price for the set was in the $11,000.00 to $12,000.00 range.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

Edited January 2, 2022 by slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

Gents,

 

 This nice OGII awarded to a Full Cavalier is currently available at a West European dealer.  Asking price:  $1,186.57. 

 

  When recommended for his OGI, he was a junior sergeant serving as a reconnaissance squad leader in a rifle regiment subordinate to a rifle division in 33rd Army, 1st Belorussian Front.  He was cited for action in the Berlin Strategic Offensive Operation in April 1945.

 

  He was also awarded an ORS and BM during the war.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

 

[slava1stclass]

On 04/01/2022 at 05:30, slava1stclass said:

Gents,

 

 This nice OGII awarded to a Full Cavalier is currently available at a West European dealer.  Asking price:  $1,186.57. 

 

  When recommended for his OGI, he was a junior sergeant serving as a reconnaissance squad leader in a rifle regiment subordinate to a rifle division in 33rd Army, 1st Belorussian Front.  He was cited for action in the Berlin Strategic Offensive Operation in April 1945.

 

  He was also awarded an ORS and BM during the war.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

 

 

Gents,

 

  This fine example did not last long.  It has sold.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

Gents,

 

  At the annual The New York Sale which concluded yesterday, one Full Cavalier-related item was listed at auction and sold.  With the opening bid set at $7,500.00, it sold for $8,250.00 (plus a 20% buyer's premium).

  A rare wartime photograph and information on this Full Cavalier are included in my book Onward to Berlin!

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

Edited January 14, 2022 by slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

Gents,

 

  This extremely worn OGIII to a Full Cavalier recently sold on the well-known auction site.  Sale price:  $91.01.  As I've noted previously, one can still find Full Cavalier-related items there if one knows what to look for.

 

  The Full Cavalier who was awarded this OGIII was a sniper who had 194 confirmed kills during the war.  He was a sergeant assigned to a rifle regiment in a rifle division subordinate to 5th Guards Army, 1st Ukrainian Front when recommended for his OGI for action in Lower Silesia in late February 1945.  He was also awarded a BM during the war.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

Edited February 1, 2022 by slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

Gents,

 

  This OGI to a Full Cavalier sold via an auction house in Germany on April 10, 2021.  Sale price:  11,000 Euros ($13,076.80).

 

  The recipient was a senior sergeant who served as a T-34 tank mechanic-driver in a tank battalion subordinate to a tank brigade assigned to 3rd Guards Tank Army, 1st Ukrainian Front when recommended for his OGI.  He was cited for valor in action while engaged in street fighting during the Battle of Berlin in April 1945.  In addition to his three Orders of Glory, he was also awarded an OPWII and ORS during the war.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

Edited February 4, 2022 by slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

Gents,

 

  For those who may be interested.  Amazon is currently offering both versions of my second book at a discount/deep discount (paperback) - $9.60 for either.  Amazon unilaterally offers these discounts on rare occasions:  Storming the Beast's Lair: Red Army Valor in the Battle of Berlin: Empric, Bruce E.: 9781710970692: Amazon.com: Books

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

On 16/10/2018 at 11:57, USSR said:

Wow, that’s rather steep. Even in today’s market and for a full set. 

Here another full cavalier: Awarded to jr sergeant Mikhail Vladimirovich Getmansky (Михаил Владимирович Гетманский)

For street fighting in the very center of Berlin during the Battle of Berlin. 

 

One of the very last OG1s

 

https://sovietorders.com/product/order-of-glory-1st-class/

 

 

 

Gents,

 

  It took just over three years to move, but this OGI recently sold.  Its last asking price was slightly over $11,000.00.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

Edited February 13, 2022 by slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

On 03/11/2020 at 19:17, slava1stclass said:

Gents,

 

  This Full Cavalier set is currently available with a West European dealer.  The asking price is $11,060.00.  The group includes many of the Full Cavalier's additional orders and medals such as his ORS and CSM as well as various defense and capture medals. 

 

  It should be noted, however, that the OGII and OGIII are not original to the recipient, but rather OGIIIs whose original serial numbers were eradicated and the serial numbers corresponding to this Full Cavalier's awards substituted in their place.  The OGII in this set is in fact an OGIII that has had its central medallion gilded to represent an OGII.

 

  The recipient was a Guards sergeant major serving as a reconnaissance scout assigned to an independent Guards reconnaissance company in a Guards rifle division when recommended for his OGI for action in the Battle of Berlin.  It is also interesting to note he received his OGIII for valor while serving his sentence in an independent penal company.  This fact is addressed in my book Onward to Berlin!  Red Army Valor in World War II The Full Cavaliers of the Soviet Order of Glory.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

 

Gents,

 

  After being offered for almost a year, this Full Cavalier set also recently sold.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

[Bob]

Easy question to ask, perhaps not so easy to answer.

 

any OH 1st class awarded tied to actions in/near Mongolia?

[slava1stclass]

23 minutes ago, Bob said:

Easy question to ask, perhaps not so easy to answer.

 

any OG 1st class awarded tied to actions in/near Mongolia?

 

Bob,

 

  It's an easy question to answer - no, there were not.  The closest awards to Mongolia would have been the OGI awards to four Soviet soldiers for action against the Japanese in Manchuria in August 1945.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

[Bob]

Thanks - i need to make a note to look up old materials as (while not OG 1st class) I vaguely recall that there were OG 3rd class (perhaps also 2nd?) awarded pre 1945 to Mongolians. In any case, that does not belong in this thread.

[slava1stclass]

On 20/11/2013 at 13:06, slava1stclass said:

 

Gents,

 

Another example of dark patina found near/around the eyelet. It's not as uncommon as one would think.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

 

Gents,

 

  This OGI to a Full Cavalier is an example of extreme patina throughout the gold.  As these pictures attest, there are indeed legitimate OGIs that are not brilliant gold throughout. 

 

  The recipient of this piece was a Guards senior sergeant serving as a squad leader in an independent Guards sapper battalion subordinate to a Guards rifle division assigned to 5th Shock Army, 1st Belorussian Front when recommended for his OGI.  He was cited for valor in action in the vicinity of the Oder River two days before the Berlin Strategic Offensive Operation commenced.  He participated in the assault on Berlin and was wounded in action during street fighting in the city in late April 1945.  In addition to his three Orders of Glory, he was also awarded a BM during the war.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

Edited March 5, 2022 by slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

Gents,

 

  This unissued OGI, serial number 2169, is currently available on the well-known auction site for a buy-it-now price of $8,999.00.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

[slava1stclass]

Gents,

 

  This duplicate Full Cavalier set is currently at auction in the former Soyuz.  The opening bid is set at $22,598.00.   

  The recipient was sergeant major who served as an anti-tank rifle squad leader.  He was assigned to a rifle regiment in a rifle division subordinate to 5th Army, 3rd Belorussian Front when recommended for his OGI.  He was also decorated with the ORB and BM during the war and participated in the operations against the Japanese in Manchuria in August 1945. 

  Note the deep gouges on the edge of the OGI's lower right point's reverse side.  These crude gouges were made to verify the piece was indeed made of gold. 

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

[slava1stclass]

Gents,

 

  My latest book:  We Were Allies Once: U.S. Army Decorations Awarded to Red Army Personnel in World War II: Empric, Bruce E.: 9798838850041: Amazon.com: Books

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

On 30/06/2022 at 10:49, slava1stclass said:

Gents,

 

  My latest book:  We Were Allies Once: U.S. Army Decorations Awarded to Red Army Personnel in World War II: Empric, Bruce E.: 9798838850041: Amazon.com: Books

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

Gents,

 

  As it occasionally does, Amazon is currently offering my latest book at a reduced price.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

Edited September 30, 2022 by slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

Gents, 

 

  Amazon is also currently offering my first book, Onward to Berlin, at 75% below its normal retail/list price:  Onward to Berlin!: Red Army Valor in World War II - The Full Cavaliers of the Soviet Order of Glory: Empric, Bruce E.: 9781973498605: Amazon.com: Books 

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

Edited October 12, 2022 by slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

Gents,

 

  Things have been very slow in recent months with scant Full Cavalier items at auction or for sale.  Current disruption in parts of the former Soyuz and the spillover effect on general world economic conditions are undoubtedly contributing to this to some degree.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

Gents,

 

  Currently available on the well-known auction site.  Opening bid was $0.99.  Current bid is $1,025.00.  Auction closes on January 11, 2023.

 

  The recipient was a sergeant serving as a mortar crew chief assigned to an army mortar regiment subordinate to 2nd Guards Army, 3rd Belorussian Front when recommended for his OGI for action in East Prussia in April 1945.  He marched in the historic Victory Parade on Red Square in Moscow on June 24, 1945, and also received an OPWII during the war.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

Edited January 9, 2023 by slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

On 09/01/2023 at 16:14, slava1stclass said:

Gents,

 

  Currently available on the well-known auction site.  Opening bid was $0.99.  Current bid is $1,025.00.  Auction closes on January 11, 2023.

 

  The recipient was a sergeant serving as a mortar crew chief assigned to an army mortar regiment subordinate to 2nd Guards Army, 3rd Belorussian Front when recommended for his OGI for action in East Prussia in April 1945.  He marched in the historic Victory Parade on Red Square in Moscow on June 24, 1945, and also received an OPWII during the war.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

 

Gents,

 

  Although there were over 35 bids, the seller pulled/cancelled the auction some three days before it was due to end.  Seller stated the item was no longer available.  It is possible the seller was approached with a side offer that was too attractive to decline.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

Gents,

 

  This unissued/unawarded OGI sold in the former Soyuz on August 18, 2022, for $11,468.00.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by slava1stclass

[slava1stclass]

Gents,

 

  An OGI currently at auction in the former Soyuz.  The recipient was a senior sergeant serving as a 45mm gun commander in an infantry regiment and division subordinate to 60th Army, 4th Ukrainian Front when recommended for his final Order of Glory (an OGII in his case).  Mistakenly awarded two OGIIIs during the war, it was not until 1978 that the error was detected, corrected and this OGI issued in place of the erroneous second OGIII award.  He was also awarded a BM during the war.

 

Regards,

 

slava1stclass