Kev in Deva Posted June 25, 2006 Author Share Posted June 25, 2006 Actually the official bar "ITALIA" is missing, since it was probably authorised later than the donation to the museum.I don't think that variations in the shape and style of letters denote fakes. There were probably many manufacturers of the cross and its bars. I also don't think that this award is faked yet.Thank you g_deploige for the excellent close-up of the bars of the cross in the museum.No the cross has not been faked because of its low value and many issues, but fake Siberia and Italia, very poor quality have been seen here at collectors meetings in Romania. Now I carry my digital camera to try and document these fake items. There is a big diference between a Reproduction and a Fake, repros can be authorised, fakes are just made to get big money for hard to find items, and are offered as the REAL item. Kevin in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragos03 Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 I have never seen such fake bars. If you encounter them, please take some pics and post them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_deploige Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 do you know if any Belgian medals or orders were presented to either the King of Romania or the Romanian Government? See here the list of Romanian who resieved the Order of Leopold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_deploige Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 second Part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted July 7, 2006 Author Share Posted July 7, 2006 second PartHallo g_deploigr Many thanks for the list of Romanian Officers who receieved the Belgian awards Kevin in Deva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 Also with the Romanian COMMEMORATIVE CROSS OF THE 1916 - 18 WAR. variations are known to exsist in the design of the surface of the inside of the Cross arms, what I call the "Big Squares and the Little Squares"Another design variation that can be noted are the points at which the ribbon ring fixing point is mounted on the upper arm of the cross, a Ball type can be found as well as a Barrel type and a Post type, please see pictures.Kev in Dev.Nice to see that my images have found their way to this site!If you would like to have more information on the versions of this cross as well as on the variations of its clasps, please take a look at the two topics opened last year on the WorldWar2.ro Forum: Variants of the WWI Commemorative Cross and Clasps of the WWI Commemorative Cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobW Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) QUOTE(Kev in Deva @ Mar 2 2006, 21:50 ) ← Also with the Romanian COMMEMORATIVE CROSS OF THE 1916 - 18 WAR. variations are known to exsist in the design of the surface of the inside of the Cross arms, what I call the "Big Squares and the Little Squares" Another design variation that can be noted are the points at which the ribbon ring fixing point is mounted on the upper arm of the cross, a Ball type can be found as well as a Barrel type and a Post type, please see pictures. Kev in Dev. Nice to see that my images have found their way to this site! If you would like to have more information on the versions of this cross as well as on the variations of its clasps, please take a look at the two topics opened last year on the WorldWar2.ro Forum: Variants of the WWI Commemorative Cross and Clasps of the WWI Commemorative Cross. Hello Carol I, It is quite possible that, aside from local Romanian manufacturers, a variety of this medal was also produced by the Paris firm of M. Delande. They were a prolific medal producer and I have seen examples of their work in producing medals relating to the Great War for many countries including Czechoslovakia, Italy, as well as the Japanese and US Victory and many others. I have attached a picture of an illustration from the 1934 catalogue of M. Delande, where it shows the Romanian Commemorative Cross suspended by a ball and with what appears to be a smaller ball suspender. I hope this is of use. Regards, Rob Edited August 30, 2009 by RobW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol I Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Hello Carol I, It is quite possible that, aside from local Romanian manufacturers, a variety of this medal was also produced by the Paris firm of M. Delande. They were a prolific medal producer and I have seen examples of their work in producing medals relating to the Great War for many countries including Czechoslovakia, Italy, as well as the Japanese and US Victory and many others. I have attached a picture of an illustration from the 1934 catalogue of M. Delande, where it shows the Romanian Commemorative Cross suspended by a ball and with what appears to be a smaller ball suspender. I hope this is of use. Regards, Rob Thanks Rob for the update on this topic. Given the number of these crosses that were awarded, it is not at all surprising that foreign manufacturers were also involved in its production. And thanks to your post, we also have a name: M. Delande of Paris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georg14 Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Good morning and Marry Christmas! Questions about 1916-1919 Cross: Date of the statement of this cross or addition to the general(8 jul.1918) decree is known? How many of them was given (must be less, than -1918)? The connecting ring with a ribbon should be always soldered (on a photo it is not visible a cut anywhere) or not? Fakes are known? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corabia Alex Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) Here`s a picture of a WWI crosses that belong to a big collection from Timisoara that was presented in an exhibition. I didn't know any better to take some decent pictures Hope you find the enameled one interesting. Edited January 4, 2010 by Corabia Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted January 4, 2010 Author Share Posted January 4, 2010 Here`s a picture of a WWI crosses that belong to a big collection from Timisoara that was presented in an exhibition. I didn't know any better to take some decent pictures Hope you find the enameled one interesting. I must admit that the one in the picture is the only enameled one I have ever seen, obviously a privately commissioned piece, actually its quite nice looking. Thanks for showing. Kevin in Deva. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love4history Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Old thread revived. In the nice exemple in the Brussels Museum I'm also missing the TARGUL-OCNA bar? Trying to determine how many different (official) bars there were (not counting the spelling variations) 15? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobW Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Old thread revived. In the nice exemple in the Brussels Museum I'm also missing the TARGUL-OCNA bar? Trying to determine how many different (official) bars there were (not counting the spelling variations) 15? Hello love4history, In post #31 of this thread there are two links to some threads on a Romanian forum which has much information about the medal and the clasp varieties. Regards, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobW Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 To al, Here are my two examples. The first with some bars and with a slightly extended cylindrical suspender of the more regularly seen 1918 variety. Regards, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobW Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 And this example is the 1919 dated reverse. Interestingly the detail on the arms, dates and background details seem a bit more worn and less defined than the 1918 variety. Regards, Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) I thought I had asked this before but I guess I didn't. What is the opinion of these style bars shown on this medal bar? I believe they are French produced, but were considered period and not something modern. Tim :cheers: Edited February 27, 2011 by Tim B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 Hi Tim, just caught your post with regards this, I have never come across reference that there were any French made Battle bars. I think I should pose your question on a Romanian site and see if anything about your idea is known. Also it is possible that they could be a Romanian made variation, its such a pity that so much information has been lost with regards items of the Romanian Royal period. Kevin in Deva. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Hi Kevin, Much appreciated! And note, it's not the only example I have seen of this type. Tim :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 (edited) Off the top of my head (and I will have to check the thread I made on objects in the Romanian Military Museum in Bucharest) I believe a similar example resides there, with both types of bar. Kevin in Deva. :beer: Edited February 28, 2011 by Kev in Deva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noor Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 Here is my only one without the clasp(s). However, I spoted one in the Fair in Belfast with the clasp... price were 120 GBP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev in Deva Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 This example is on display in the Romanian Military Museum in Bucharest, I took the picture on the 18th March 2011. Kevin in Deva. :beer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Hi Kevin! Cool! Thank you for looking and I am now more comfortable with the one I was asking about. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Thought I would add a couple of examples that I recently made an offer on. First one is pretty typical 1916-1918 with three bars. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 A close-up of the bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted March 25, 2011 Share Posted March 25, 2011 Here's the 2nd one and this one has the atypical bars that I have been told were French produced, but no hard evidence to that. Color is a bit off; see below. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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