SS SS and Police Long Service Awards Worn Together?

[filfoster]

Several higher ranking SS generals had served in the police between the wars, prior to resuming their military service (Georg Keppler and Karl Maria Demelhuber, for example). Were SS and Police long service awards worn together on the medal and/or ribbon bar?

[Paul R]

I have seen photos of mixed LS medals being worn... I dont know the exact regulations on that practice though.

[filfoster]

I have seen Imperial LS followed by Third Reich WH LS and also examples of WH or SS followed by NSDAP 10 and 15 years, but not SS and Polizei. Does anyone have a picture ?

[Peter J]

The SS DA was awarded only to members of the SS-Verfügungstruppen, SS-Totenkopfverbände and SS-Junkerschulen.

[Paul R]

What about folks who had service with the police then came into the SS later?

[Peter J]

Paul, it's my understanding that accumulation time was rendered only for active military service.

[filfoster]

SS generals like Keppler, Demelhuber, and even Dietrich and that butcher Theodor Eicke, had Army service followed by police service, then, for Keppler and Dietrich, SS Verfugungstruppe service before it morphed into the Waffen SS. I have read that the Imperial Army service and police service counted for SS service awards.

Anyway, the point of the thread is whether there are any examples of a police long service medal or ribbon being worn with an SS long service ribbon or medal. I have only seen one example on a Google search and there was not enough background to make it convincing as an original.

Photos of Keppler's ribbon bar are ambiguous as to the long service awards and Dietrich seems to have worn Bavarian and SS long service ribbons..

Edited September 25, 2014 by filfoster

[filfoster]

Paul, it's my understanding that accumulation time was rendered only for active military service.

Some of the online resources are conflicting on this point.

[Robin Lumsden]

From a Waffen-SS Officer who served in the Balkans ................ the final ribbon is that of the Croatian Order of the Crown of King Zvonimir.

[Robin Lumsden]

While the SS-DA was only for service in the SS-VT, SS-TV, JS and W-SS, Himmler wore it and he was in none of those!

Conversely, he was Chief of the German Police from 1936-45, but never wore the Police Long Service Award.

Heydrich, on the other hand, wore the Police award .................. for much shorter service in the Police than Himmler.

Strange, arcane old world.

Edited September 25, 2014 by Robin Lumsden

[Jock Auld]

Perhaps with so much 'cross polination' it was down to the individuals interpritation, personality and rank? If high enough you can wear what you want or prefer by loose interpretation of the written line? I am sure I have a Gezetz Book that has the police Long service award in it I wonder if it has the criteria as well, I shall have a look. Perhaps that has guidance from the period.

Jock

[Jock Auld]

Guys,

This is one book I actually know where it lives. This is all I can find about the Police versus SS. Perhaps there are some leads there but my command of technical German is not good enough? Obviously this is at their creation and does not take into account any policy changes after 1938?

Jock

Edited September 25, 2014 by Jock Auld

[filfoster]

From a Waffen-SS Officer who served in the Balkans ................ the final ribbon is that of the Croatian Order of the Crown of King Zvonimir.

Is that the 'frozen meat order' between the War Merit Cross and the Hindenburg Cross, and the Anschluss on the other side of the Long Service decorations?

[Robin Lumsden]

Yes. That's the correct order of precedence.