For Research Edged weapons

[ccj]

Post your swords, bayonets, etc with troddel or portepee.

I hope some member have a nice selection of edged weapons

[Fritz]

Here is one of my imperial swords, deluxe hilt with triple engraved named blade by E. Pack and Son, not sure who the name on the blade is but must have been someone of importance and wealth for a sword of this caliber IMO.

Fritz

[ccj]

Nice

[Fritz]

Thanks, if anyone can help me ID the name and point me in the right direction to possibly research him would be greatly appreciated.

Fritz

[piekenier]

Name seems to be H.Weldpausch ?Sword is a Prussian IOD 89.

[The Prussian]

I only have an Artillerie-Säbel of Feldart.Rgt.43 in a used condition

Edited December 28, 2014 by The Prussian

[Fritz]

Nice artillery sword!

Fritz

[ccj]

Here are two of mine. Wartime swords for field use.

[piekenier]

The Artillery sword has lovely engraving.Is there a maker mark?

The two wartime IOD 89 swords are fine examples ,most interesting .They were made of base metal (iron) rather than brass ( as brass was reserved for cartridge cases) and generally brass plated .The brass plating wore off very quickly. Are they maker marked? Do make some more photos of the hilt,basket and blades .

[ccj]

I'll take some more photos New Years when I'm off work. I was excited to acquire two wartime swords. I've just recently moved from medals and uniforms to edged weapons and equipment again. Sadly, I traded most off years ago when it seemed easier to find that nice medals and tunics. Not so much now.

[Fritz]

Here is my 89 for field use by WKC

Fritz

[Fritz]

Here is my cavalry saber dated 1915 on the spine , reissued in 1920, they hashed out the unit on the hilt but left it on the scabbard , they still match, you can make out the stampings on the hilt.

Fritz

[ccj]

Fritz,

Both of those are very nice, the 89 being my favorite. I'm currently looking for a waretime sword for my Hessen Feldwebelleutnant of IR116...

[Fritz]

Name seems to be H.Weldpausch ?Sword is a Prussian IOD 89.

Thanks Piekenier!

Fritz

[Fritz]

Fritz,

Both of those are very nice, the 89 being my favorite. I'm currently looking for a waretime sword for my Hessen Feldwebelleutnant of IR116...

Thanks, the 89 is one my favorites as well as the other 89 I posted earlier, the Cav saber was one that I came across a few months ago, even though it's a 1920 reissue it's still a scarce one IMO.

Fritz

[15THPACAV]

Apologies for my, as usual, lousy photos. My only Imperial sword so far, a private purchase enlisted M89 cavalry sword for Ulanen Regt.Konig Karl( 1.Wurrtembergisches) nr.19, garrisoned in Ulm and Wibligen.

Unlike many regiments of the "alte heer", it was not of relatively recent vintage, but was raised in 1689.

BobS

[Fritz]

Nice EM sword Bob!

Fritz

[Chip]

Here is my cavalry saber dated 1915 on the spine , reissued in 1920, they hashed out the unit on the hilt but left it on the scabbard , they still match, you can make out the stampings on the hilt.

Hello Fritz,

The marking appears to be "3.K.R.3.119", which to me would stand for "Kürassier Regiment Nr.3, 3.Eskadron, 119" The 119 being the weapon's number. However, my reference on weapons markings say the Kürassier used only a "K", no "R".

Now, Kürassiers have carried the Pallasch, which was a totally different saber, since 1808. Yours is similar to the 1808 pattern for hussars, Ulanen and artillery, which ended up being issued to the artillery after the new cavalry saber of 1852 was introduced. So, this was never a Kürassier saber unless they substituted early in the war due to shortages. The Pallasch was normally brass hilted, and that may be one reason for stopping their production. It's also possible that the markings mean entirely something else.

Chip

[The Prussian]

Here is my cavalry saber dated 1915 on the spine , reissued in 1920, they hashed out the unit on the hilt but left it on the scabbard , they still match, you can make out the stampings on the hilt.

Fritz

Hello!

I agree with Chip. Kürassiere did use only a "K".

The sabre ist stamped with 1920. What about a changing of the regimental stamp? Please have a look at the K. There is a bow above it. If yes, it could be changed into an R. So we´d have:

3./R.R.3.119

In 1920 it would indicate the 3.Esk./Reiter-Regiment 3, weapon 119. The 3./RR3 was in Stendal.

[aussiesoldier]

First Posting.

Having research sword markings for my own collection, there is nothing more confusing than pre-WW1 unit markings. One list I have copied suggests K.R. could simply be Kavallerie-Regiment

P.S. I have quite a collection that I have researched but I have no idea how to attach images from my files?????

Help please

[Chip]

Aussiesoldier,

When you type in the reply box, look to the lower right where is says "More Reply Options". Click on that and then scroll down until you see "Attach Files" on the lower left. Click on that and then browse your photo files until you find the photo you want to attach, highlight it and then click on "Open" on the lower right. This will download your picture into your post. When finished just click on "Add Reply" and your picture will accompany your text.

Chip

[aussiesoldier]

KD89 TROOPER’S COMBAT SWORD

OTTO MERTENS SOLINGEN on one side. (Waffen Fabrik Otto Mertens) ERFURT AND CROWN on the other. (ERFURT was the main Prussian state armoury.)

The blade is dated 1898, with a crown, W and 98 + proof and acceptance mark. Sword blade is 32". Scabbard length is 33” and is fitted with a suspension ring. Total length with scabbard is 39"

This sword is 'Vorschriftsmaessig' (regulation) or Kammerstueck' (issued piece), both of these terms being used synonomously. The sword and scabbard are both unit marked 7 R. D. 1. 83 = 7^th Reserve Dragoon Regiment, 1 Squadron, Sword # 83

7^th Reserve Dragoon Regiment was mobilised as the divisional cavalry of the 21^st Reserve Division. These cavalry regiments were raised with only 3 squadrons whilst most active cavalry regiments had 4, some were raised to 6. The 21^st Reserve Division was a unit of the Imperial German Army in World War I. The division was formed on mobilization of the German Army in August 1914 as part of XVIII Reserve Corps. The division was raised primarily in the Prussian Province of Hesse-Nassau. The 21^st Reserve Division fought on the Western Front, participating in the opening German offensive which ended with the 1^st Battle of the Marne. Thereafter, the division remained in the line in the Champagne region until June 1916 when it entered the Battle of Verdun. In December of 1916 the 7^Th Reserve Dragoon Regiment lost its horses and became a dismounted cavalry regiment = a cavalry battalion in the line, but remained with the division.

[aussiesoldier]

KD52 TROOPER'S PRESENTATION SWORD

Each German State had their own patterns of cavalry swords prior to the introduction of the Preußischer M.1852 Kavallerie-Degen. This was the issue sabre until the Kavallrie Degen Mod 1889, then these were passed to secondary and support units. This weapon was issued in the Prussian Army from 1852 to 1918 and was as the standard issue sword for all Hussar,Ulan and Dragoon regiments in the Prussian Army, between 1857 and 1889. Preußischer M.1852 Kavallerie-Degen Despite the introduction of the KD89, older pattern swords remained in service up to and throughout WW1, and the M.1852, which was a much heavier cutting weapon than the KD89. This is a trooper’s presentation sword as was assembled by, W Damke, Magdeburg .

At the time of Frederick the Great logistics materials, including food, were stored in so-called (logistics) Train depot / or armouries. These were all managed by the supply dump. Each regiment and battalion ran his own (logistics) train with it. From this later group was formed independent Train columns, these included field bakeries, food columns and hospitals. Between 1807 and 1914 20 of these neupreußischen Train battalions were established as part of the new military organization.

The Magdeburgische Train Battalion No. 4 was the Train Battalion of the IV Army Corps of the Prussian army. On mobilisation, IV Corps was assigned to the 1st Army on the right wing of the forces for the Schlieffen Plan offensive in August 1914 on the Western Front. It participated in the Battle of Mons and the First Battle of the Marne which marked the end of the German advances in 1914. Later, it participated in the Battle of the Somme, particularly the Battle of Delville Wood and the Battle of Pozières. It was still in existence at the end of the war in the 6th Army, Heeresgruppe Kronprinz Rupprecht on the Western Front.

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[Fritz]

Aussiesoldier, nice swords and great info!!

Fritz

[ccj]

Hessen Infantry Officers swords

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