ccj Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Can someone help me with this? I think the left column are combat actions and the right are awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernhard H.Holst Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Hello. You are right but the left entries are all designated as " Schlacht " therefore battle not Kampf or combat action. I believe there to be a substantial difference. I do not want to split a dog's hair. Bernhard H. Holst Edited January 12, 2015 by Bernhard H.Holst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 You can find "Schlacht" "Stellungskampf" "Gefecht" etc.... There is an official cut off date (for example) where entries from one day to the next change from "Schlacht" of Verdun to "Stellungskämpfe" at Verdun..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Danner Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) In a Kriegsrangliste (officers) or Kriegsstammrolle (enlisted), the left column in your excerpt is the column for "Mitgemachte Gefechte", which is normally column 11, and the right is column 12 for "Orden und Ehrenzeichen", The "Mitgemachte Gefechte" are usually taken from the unit's official combat participation list. The dates are from those lists, with any adjustments to the dates if the individual soldier missed certain battles or engagements due to wounds, illness, schools or the like. If a soldier changed units, the new unit would record his records (I assume usually from his Militärpass, but also he might bring along a Kriegsrangliste/-stammrolle excerpt) in its book and then add their own engagements later. If you stayed in the same unit the whole time, your llst would be the same as the unit's list, so often in a Militärpass you will see a photocopy of the unit list attached rather than all the battles rewritten. This example shows he participated in the Battle of the Frontiers in August 1914 (border protection and border fights in Lorraine, battle of Lorraine, battle of Nancy-Epinal, capture of the Fort de Manonviller), and then went to the Race to the Sea (Somme, Arras, Lille, Ypres, etc.) The award list in the right column is divided into "a. vaterländische" and "b. fremde". In this case, "vaterländische" means Bavarian, and "fremde" includes everything else - Prussian, other German states and non-German awards. A Prussian Kriegsrangliste would have Prussian awards under "a" and non-Prussian under "b". Kriegsranglisten and -stammrollen often mess this up, putting German awards under "a" and non-German under "b", but this one looks correct. This particular excerpt is from a fairly early-war Kriegsrangliste, with entries only though July 1915. Edited January 13, 2015 by Dave Danner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Thanks for the detailed explanation. Generalluetnant Bernard von Hartz (Division Commander B 2ID, General Corp Cmdr 57, Great General Staff, Quartermaster 6 Army) Bavaria Crown Order 4 -K4 pre-war St Michael a Honor Cross - ME pre-war Military Merit Order 3 - MV3 pre-war Prinz Regent Jubilee Medal - JM pre-war Long Service 2 - DK2 pre-war Military Merit Order 2 with Swords - MV2b m Schw 7.9.14 Prussia Red Eagle Order 3 - PrA3 pre-war China Commemorative Medal in Steel - ChD2 Iron Cross 2 - PEK2 7.9.14 Iron Cross 1 - PEK1 7.10.14 Saxony Albert Order 2 class with Breast Star - SA2b pre-war Albert Order 2 class with Breast Star with Sw - SA2a m Schw. 8.12.14 Wurttemberg Crown Order 2 with Breast Star and Swords - WK2b m Schw 2.12.14 Hesse Hessen Bravery Medal - HessTapf.M 23.10.14 Brunswick War Merit Cross - Braunschig.Kriegs.Verdict.Kreuz 5.7.15 Anhault Friedrich Cross - Anh-Friedr.Kr. 26.2.15 Austria Order of Iron Crown 2 - ÖEK2 Japan Order of the Sacred Treasure Knight's Cross. - JnS5a http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/63725-bernhard-von-hartz/?hl=hartz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 I started working on it after printing some data. Still trying to get all the data translated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccj Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) I can't read this but apparently is additional information added to the section like you described. Edited January 13, 2015 by ccj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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