dedehansen Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Hi Gents, today I wan´t to show you my newest Freikorps purchase. It´s for the grüne Fangschnur mit dem westfälischen Pferd. I hope you like it too Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Nice document! Do you have more stuff from the recipient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 10 minutes ago, turtle said: Nice document! Do you have more stuff from the recipient? Hi Turtle, I was able to purchase some of his paperwork Kind regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Very nice indeed!! What was the extent of his WW1 service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Hi Chris, he didn´t see any service at WWI, what I could recognize from the Militärpässe was: Diensteintritt 15.02.1919 beim Sturm – Lehr – Regiment des Garde Kavallerie Schützen Korps 7. Kompanie Am 1.4.1919 zur 2.MGK desselben Regiments versetzt Diente bis zum 31.8.1919 bei dieser Einheit Diensteintritt 23.09.1919 bei der Radfahr Kompanie des 1.Kurl. Reiter Regiments Von dort entlassen am 29.10.1919 Diente vom 17.11.1919 bis zum 10.07.1920 beim Stabe der Reichswehrbrigade 7 Kind regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolewts58 Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Here's my "grüne Fangschnur mit dem westfälischen Pferd" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Hello! Very nice and rare documents! I love them! The Fangschnur ist brilliant too! Here is a photo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolewts58 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) Great photo of a member of Freikorps Pfeffer. Interestingly, he's wearing the "Fangschnur" incorrectly. It was supposed to attach at the back of the left shoulder board button as he has done, then loop under the arm and attach at the front of the left shoulder board button (not across the chest to the button hole) so that the horse and acorns hung from the left shoulder. I guess he didn't get the memo on how to wear it or just wanted to be different. Edited December 26, 2015 by bolewts58 more details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Here is the background. March, 21, 1919 the Fangschnur was donated to all volunteers of the VII.Army corps, who had three months front-experience in one of the units of that corps. So the Fangschnur is not an award just for the Freikorps Pfeffer. FK Pfeffer had the horse-badge on the sleeve. I assume, the man on the photo belonged to the Eskadron of the Freikorps Pfeffer (One bataillon of Inf.Rgt.13, one Eskadron and one battery) They were in action in march in Mannheim, then West-Prussia, in april Libau and they came in july back to Westphalia with 3000 men! The photo was taken in Treptow/Rega. That is in Pomerania, so it´s on the way from Libau to Westphalia. He wears a cap with the old two cocades. The cap was worn until end of september 1919. Which number do we see upon the shoulder strap? A 2 or a 7. In june 1919 the Reichswehr-Brigade Nr.7 Münster was built from troops of the old VII.Army Corps. Then it will be a 7 upon the strap. So we have the cavalry-regiment 7, light artillery-regiment 7 or heavy artillery-detachement 7. He might have been served with one of those 7er units. So the photo was taken between june and september 1919. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 I think this is the right way to wear the Fangschnur Schütze Georg Enkel Kind regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Nice photo, Andreas! Doi you know, which unit it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 22 minutes ago, The Prussian said: Nice photo, Andreas! Doi you know, which unit it is? Hi Andy, here are the units Enkel served with so I´m not really sure which it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Hi Andreas! I have some difficulties to read... 1.12.17: zur 2.Kp./Ersatz ??? Inf.Rgt.75 15.4.18: Genesenen-Kp. Inf.Rgt.75 25.5.18: ? 6.2.19: Detachement Küntzel Garde-Kav.Schtz.Div. 2.6.19: I.Ersatz Freiwilligen Komp. IX.AK Altona 14.9.19: Feld??? 1203 21.6.19: Mannschafts-Ersatz-Depot Brigade Litauen 20.10.19: 3. ??? Inf.Rgt. Stab Eiserne Division Kurland 10.6.20: zum I./13, 2.Kp. Libau 29.5.20: Inf. ??? ??? I/13 Can youb read more? He seemed to change his unit after the actions in Kurland/Litauen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolewts58 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) 47 minutes ago, The Prussian said: Hi Andreas! I have some difficulties to read... 1.12.17: zur 2.Kp./Ersatz ??? Inf.Rgt.75 15.4.18: Genesenen-Kp. Inf.Rgt.75 25.5.18: ? 6.2.19: Detachement Küntzel Garde-Kav.Schtz.Div. 2.6.19: I.Ersatz Freiwilligen Komp. IX.AK Altona 14.9.19: Feld??? 1203 21.6.19: Mannschafts-Ersatz-Depot Brigade Litauen 20.10.19: 3. ??? Inf.Rgt. Stab Eiserne Division Kurland 10.6.20: zum I./13, 2.Kp. Libau 29.5.20: Inf. ??? ??? I/13 Can youb read more? He seemed to change his unit after the actions in Kurland/Litauen I think 1.12.17: zur 2.Kp./Ersatz ??? Inf.Rgt.75 is just 1.12.17: zur 2.Kp./Ersatz Inf.Rgt.75 (Esz.). There's not another abbreviation there. 25.5.18: ? = 25.5.18 entl. (entlassen) - discharged 14.9.19: Feld??? 1203 = 14.9.19: Feldäckereikolone 1203 20.10.19: 3. ??? Inf.Rgt. Stab Eiserne Division Kurland = 20.10.19: 3. Kurl. Inf.Rgt. Stab Eiserne Division Kurland The last one, I'm not sure of. 29.5.20: Inf. ??? ??? I/13 = 29.5.20: Inf. Verstn. Komp. I/13. It looks like 'Verstn.'. But, I don't know what that could mean. "Verstehenden" (comprehensive) maybe. It's a designation I don't know. By the way, the unit in the photo is: 3. Kurland Inf.Rgt. Stab Eiserne Division Kurland. He's wearing the Iron Division Medal and the Baltic Cross. Edited December 26, 2015 by bolewts58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Ah, ok. There were 3 kurländische Inf.Rgt. in the Brigade Kurland. So it will be 3.kurl. Inf.Rgt. 1.Rgt. (Lossow) with I.Btl. Doin, II.Btl. Borcke and III.Btl. Heiberg 2.Rgt. (Kleist) with I.Btl. Liebermann, II.Btl. Balla and III.Btl. from the Ers.Btl. (since october it´s IV.Btl., while a new III,Btl. was set-up (Berthold) 3.Rgt. (Poensgen) with I.Btl. and II,.Btl. Poensgen and III.Btl. Rieckhoff Could "verstn" means "verstärkt"? also verstärkte Kompanie? But that doesn´t make a sense too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 I think bolewts58 is right 29.5.20 I can´t read this neither, but it must have something to do with there is another similar entry Inf. Versh.? Komp I/13 Soest i/ Westf. Stamped 1. Westf. Reichswehr - Schützen - Regiment Nr. 13 could it be Versuchskompanie or Versorgungskompanie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermann Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 First letter is a "P", so could be read as "Pense" (Poensgen?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Poensgen would fit with 3.Regiment! Since may 1920 the I./RW-Inf.Rgt.13 was in Soest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolewts58 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hermann said: First letter is a "P", so could be read as "Pense" (Poensgen?). No it's not a P. It is a Kurrentschrift V. I now think it's actually "Verstr." But, if so, I don't know what that abbreviation would be. Edited December 26, 2015 by bolewts58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) "Verstr." only could mean "verstärkt" (strenghthed, reinforced). "Verstärkte Kompanie" would be o.k., but the "Inf." before doesn´t make any sense in german language. "Inf. Vers.Komp."? (Infantry experimental company) But what sense would that be? In may 1920 the regiments were budgetary set-up. I´ll try to get the regimental history of IR13, Maybe it helps... By the way, here I have a photo with a mysterious arm patch. Some of them wear a skullhead upon the cap, but on the diagonal strap of the 3rd man in the back line I read I.R.13 Does someone know the arm-patch below the MG-sniper-badge??? Edited December 27, 2015 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Boonzaier Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 This is similar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 (edited) Hi Chris! That could be "Verstallungs-Kommando"? Those people were responsible for the horses. Marstall were the royal stables. But I´ve never heard about that for an infantry unit in 1920... Andreas, whith your permission I´ll show it in the Feldgrau-Forum. What about a "W"? Wirtschafts-Kompanie? (Economy-company) Edited December 27, 2015 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted December 28, 2015 Author Share Posted December 28, 2015 Hi Andy, of course you can show it in the Feldgrau - Forum. I wonder why there isn´t a grade classification for the grüne Fangschnur. Cheers Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Hello! Probably it´s called "Verstärkungs-Kompanie" The regiments or bataillons had "Ersatz-Komp." What makes me puzzled, is the 13. The Inf.Rgt.13 always was in the west. In Courland there was a Freiwilligen-Regiment Libau with three bataillons.Set-up march 1919 from the Freiw. Btl. 6,9, and 5. It became in september 1919 a Reichswehr-Btl. Libau. But it became later II./RW-Inf.Rgt.62. That could be interesting! The two bataillons Lichtschlag (II. and III./62) formed the RW-Rgt.107. They were reinforced bei the Bataillon Libau (became II.Btl./62 AND the Freikorps Pfeffer! End of may 1920 the regiments 61 and 62 became parts of the 7.RW-Brigade. The RW.Inf.Rgt.13 was part of the 7th brigade too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dedehansen Posted December 29, 2015 Author Share Posted December 29, 2015 Hi Andy, we are talking about different persons?! Wehrmann Breuer vom Stabe der Reichswehrbrigade 7 and Schütze Enkel from Reichswehr Schützen Regiment 13, 2. Kompanie ( Libau ) Regards Andreas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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