Need your Help Gents..

[buellmeister]

Gents, 

It has indeed been a while and I hope is well with everyone.  I happened upon this item and most likely a family time and not military, However was curious if anyone could shed some light on this piece?

Thank you so much and seeing that it is most likely Scottish, I wanted to give it a whirl. 

Kind Regards, 

Joel 

 

 

[peter monahan]

The hooks suggest a shoulder belt plate, rather than a waist belt, but that would seem to have the cipher - 'E L'? - turned on its side.  I wonder if it is for a band/piper.

Also, I would have expected a belt plate to be stamped or moulded - late 18th/early 19th century - rather than having the cipher added as this one is, which strikes me as Victorian.  But I may be totally out to lunch!

Very curious but clearly quality work.

[buellmeister]

Peter, 

I thank you so much for the information you provided. Though there are no marker's marks, I'm in agreement that the craftsmanship is exceptional. Here is another picture from a different angle. 

Thank you again!

Regards,

Joel 

 

 

Edited August 7, 2017 by buellmeister

[peter monahan]

Joel

Ok, then!  Now it's an 'M ?' cipher.  To quote an old joke, I am better informed but none the wiser.  No clue.  

Such a lovely piece, though, that were it mine I'd keep it just for the aesthetic value even if none of the learned gents here or elsewhere can offer a postivie ID.

 

[buellmeister]

Peter, 

I agree!  It will definitely will adorn one of my shelves.   Thank you again.

 

Kind Regards,

 

Joel 

 

Edited August 7, 2017 by buellmeister

[Farkas]

Morning Gents

As 'Manuel' once said 'I know nothing' but that never stops me

To me it looks like...

E (curvy)

L (ends Lower)

then the half size 'bit' on the lower right... maybe is ....

i   or   l

------////:-/-/:-------

so...,,

'EL the first' of 'somewhere' is my drunken guess. ?

tony

 

**Although I reckon sometimes it's better not to know - because It can be harder to keep 'pretty' things on a whim if you do....

 

 

 

[buellmeister]

Farkas, 

I thank you for your help. Interesting piece none the less, and the mystery continues. 

 

[Farkas]

Hi Gents

Joel

i not sure which way my edited pic will show.

I've rotated yours 90' and side on it is really looks like an L and E intertwined.

tony

excuse my poor attempt

Edited November 22, 2017 by Farkas
Adding poor drawing

[Farkas]

Just realised that's old news !

tony

Edited November 22, 2017 by Farkas

[saxcob]

The "EL" cypher was used in Hessia for Ernst Ludwig but in that case it should probably have a crown.

Edited November 22, 2017 by saxcob

[peter monahan]

The style is different but the proportions of the two letters seem very similar.  I'd say 'Ernst Ludwig' is a real possibility.

[buellmeister]

Gentlemen, Thank you so much!  I agree the cypher does look as though it is for Ernst Ludwig!  The mystery is solved, I believe?   

Edited November 23, 2017 by buellmeister