Is this Italian submarine badge?

[Von Thronstahl]

Emedals has this badge listed as Italian Kingdom sub badge, 1942.     I have never seen it before. 

 

 

 

 

This is one I have. I found it on one of the beaches in my town. We were searching there a lot cause that is the place where they threw all the rubble after bombardment in ww2. Name of the city is Zadar(Zara) and it was under Italian rule until 1943.  We found lot of  Italian insignia there but this one was unusual.  At first I thought it was Spanish. Maybe sailors went in Spain on some Submarine training i thought. But now, when I found this badge on Emedals it seems it is Italian. If that badge is Italian at all.  

Only difference is that mine is made of silver and it has that hole for a stone, like Spanish sub badges have. 

What do you think. Are these badges Italian at all? Maybe Barry made a mistake while listing that badge or I am completely wrong going into spanish direction.

[Bayern]

The Regia Marina badge for submarinists was different. It consisted in the figure of a dolphin into a circle surmoouted with the royal crown.

The badge is Spanish ,from before 1931. it lacks of the stone on thecentral circle. I said 1931because of the royal crown eliminated after 1931 . the nationalists forces during the Civil War restaurated the crown but not the royal . they used a open marquisal crown and this lasted until 1975 .

[BalkanCollector]

Such a cool find and an interesting story!

[Von Thronstahl]

5 hours ago, Bayern said:

The Regia Marina badge for submarinists was different. It consisted in the figure of a dolphin into a circle surmoouted with the royal crown.

The badge is Spanish ,from before 1931. it lacks of the stone on thecentral circle. I said 1931because of the royal crown eliminated after 1931 . the nationalists forces during the Civil War restaurated the crown but not the royal . they used a open marquisal crown and this lasted until 1975 .

I know how it looks like. That is why I said I haven´t seen this type of Italian badge before.

So, I was right.  Now I need to find out how did it end up here? Thank you Bayern.

[Kallarati Heroik]

Barry is not a specialist.

He made a lot of mistakes with titles of Albanian awards.

He doesn't know them as he thought.

He wrote hero of the people when it is remembrance medal.

Not all emedals items are correct.

There are many many mistakes.

Regards 

[Von Thronstahl]

2 hours ago, Kallarati Heroik said:

Barry is not a specialist.

He made a lot of mistakes with titles of Albanian awards.

He doesn't know them as he thought.

He wrote hero of the people when it is remembrance medal.

Not all emedals items are correct.

There are many many mistakes.

Regards 

I know that very well but I am grasping at straws.  I thought it is Spanish at first but  I couldn´t find any information about this badge  nor about its maker.  It is not in the Prichard´s  Submarine badges  book and I can´t find it on the internet either. Badges are similar but not the same. 

 

[Bayern]

hello von Thronstal . My pleasure. the centre of the badge was enamelled in red for active men and in blue for those in school

[Von Thronstahl]

7 hours ago, Bayern said:

hello von Thronstal . My pleasure. the centre of the badge was enamelled in red for active men and in blue for those in school

This is definitely new for me. Thank you once again.

[Bayern]

Servitore!

[Michael Brookins]

This pin is (both) Spanish and Italian.  Made in Italy, for Spain.  It was made during the 1936-1939 Spanish Civil War and issued to the Italian submarine sailors, who sailed with the Nationalists.  No stone was added, because Italy did not operate under Spanish requirements.  The actual pin made for the Spanish Nationalists, was different, in that it showed the port aspect, the crown was lowered down to the hull and the 'Legionnaires' symbol, was centered behind the conning tower.  You can find further information about this pin, and many others, on the Submarine Insignia Collectors page, on Facebook.