Graf Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 This model is one of the most difficult to get So far I have seen only handful Orders from this model After many years I managed to get second one to my collection This one is 6th Class with crown If you have any orders from this model can you list them I have not seen any high classes (only in books) in any sales or collections choose files...
Graf Posted July 13, 2021 Author Posted July 13, 2021 Order of Military merit with flat reverse medallion in a medal bar It is a pity.... not part of my collection
new world Posted July 13, 2021 Posted July 13, 2021 On 11/07/2021 at 09:36, Graf said: This model is one of the most difficult to get So far I have seen only handful Orders from this model After many years I managed to get second one to my collection This one is 6th Class with crown If you have any orders from this model can you list them I have not seen any high classes (only in books) in any sales or collections choose files... Than you for posting these medals! This variation is super rare, was supposedly made only for one year. On 11/07/2021 at 09:36, Graf said:
Graf Posted July 13, 2021 Author Posted July 13, 2021 Hi New World, Thank you for the comments yes It is rare one Only one year and perhaps the only King Boris Emission without Grand Cross The highest Class looks to be 1st Class Best
new world Posted July 16, 2021 Posted July 16, 2021 On 13/07/2021 at 19:44, Graf said: Only one year and perhaps the only King Boris Emission without Grand Cross The highest Class looks to be 1st Class Well, it's debatable whether there was even a 1st class in flat emission. The size of the cross during 1930s was the same for 3rd, 2nd and 1st classes, only the star identified the award to a certain class. This means that if you have a neck cross in 3rd class you can match it with a star and make it a 1st or 2nd class set. We have to look at the awards with provenance. In over 20 years collecting I never saw a 1st class in flat emission neither in Civil Merit nor in Military Merit. Furthermore, I only saw few 2nd class sets which came with the documents. Again, not saying with 100% certainty that 1st class did not exist in flat version, perhaps they are just so rare that I never encountered one, but based on my personal experience I am sceptical.
Graf Posted July 16, 2021 Author Posted July 16, 2021 Thank you Igor for bringing more light on the topic. I saw this set on one of the French Auctions a year ago, however due to the crazy times we are living now i did not pay as much attention Hi New Word I did not doubt that 1st Classes ever existed. You , like me have seen 2nd Classes with Documents. yes it is very tempting to add or switch items to upgrade them. Now with the help of Igor, who was more observant and dedicated collector, we know that those 1st Classes do exist The question of time more of them to surface on the market.
new world Posted July 17, 2021 Posted July 17, 2021 Thank you Igor, this is really nice example of this award! Perhaps my post was not very clear, what I was trying to say was - we can't say that they specifically made 1st class or 2nd class in flat emission. Rather, they made limited quantity of 'flat' Commander crosses, which later could be awarded by themselves (as 3rd class) or paired with 1st or 2nd class stars. We don't know how this pairing process worked and how many - if any at all - 1st class awards were created. Following Igor's example, we know there was one award of Civil Merit. We don't know of any Military Merit 1st class awards. Interestingly, the awards for 2nd class with documents I observed were both given to foreigners - one to an Italian Diplomat and another to a Professor/Rector of a University in Slovakia.
Graf Posted July 17, 2021 Author Posted July 17, 2021 I have seen one Document for 2nd Class of Civil Merit to a German Diplomat It makes 3 so far. None for Military Merit More over i have not seen any award nigher the 5th Class
new world Posted July 17, 2021 Posted July 17, 2021 Interesting - all known attributed Civil Merit awards seem to be to foreigners. Except 1st class posted by Igor. Small sample to draw any conclusions, perhaps Bulgarian documents did not survive.
Graf Posted July 17, 2021 Author Posted July 17, 2021 One of reasons will be that Bulgaria after WW2 went to a very Brutal period. many of the Royal Officers, Ministers and many others who were branded as enemies of the People were executed and their Orders and Documents were either destroyed or got in the hands of their killers. It was very turbulent time. Also many Documents and Archives were destroyed by the Communists to cover up for their past criminal activities. Many of them were pity criminals and overnight became Political heres The other reasons could be that those Documents are in private collections and still have not seen sun light. Third reason is that those Documents do not specify that the award is with Flat reverse medallions. That means that out there could be documents however their current owners do not know that they are awarded with this model of Award.
ilieff Posted July 17, 2021 Posted July 17, 2021 Prime-minister Kyoseivanov, wearing [presumably] that very same 1st class set. Original photo was taken in early October, 1937. This is indeed the year which the 'flat reverse' orders are mostly associated with.
Graf Posted July 18, 2021 Author Posted July 18, 2021 There you are Getting more and more information. Because the topic was not touched till now it does not mean that there is no more information out there Thank you Ilieff for the picture
Igor Ostapenko Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 8 hours ago, ilieff said: Prime-minister Kyoseivanov, wearing [presumably] that very same 1st class set. Original photo was taken in early October, 1937. This is indeed the year which the 'flat reverse' orders are mostly associated with. on this photo PM with order 1st class or with GC ?
Graf Posted July 18, 2021 Author Posted July 18, 2021 For me looks like GC The Star is Very big The 1st Class star is 84 and this one looks like bigger That mean the size will be 95 mm which is a Grand cross Also the rays do not look flat more like with diamond cut surface There is a point to discuss If he was awarded GC When he was awarded it. If it is before 1937 and the 1st was given later The Model with flat medallion was Special Edition He might had been given only the Cross from this edition That can explain the missing Star. Also this Model was awarded only on one special occasion the Protocol might be different and the 1st Class could have been given after the GC ??!!! Just speculating
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