Communist China-A Medal

[nickstrenk]

Please,help,identify this medal,Collect Russia is absent of it.Many thanks.

[nickstrenk]

https://www.emedals.com/asia/china-republic/medal-for-the-north-china-liberation-1950-w0749

I have already found out,sorry for disturbing.

[1812 Overture]

The awarding time of this medal: August 1950 to October 20, 1952. I can send other information if you need it.
PS this medal does not look good. I do not recommend you to buy

[JapanX]

 

Edited October 4, 2021 by JapanX

[nickstrenk]

Collegues,many thanks for answers.

Please ,identify this badge.Sport,army?

[1812 Overture]

解放华中南纪念章=This is a battle medal, a medal for the liberation of central and southern China

[nickstrenk]

5 hours ago, 1812 Overture said:

解放华中南纪念章=This is a battle medal, a medal for the liberation of central and southern China

Thanks for the answer!

[v.Perlet]

On 04/10/2021 at 12:40, nickstrenk said:

Please,help,identify this medal,Collect Russia is absent of it.Many thanks.

Hello nickstrenk,

 

my reply comes a bit late - due to me having joined this forum just a month ago;

 

What I would like to indicate to you is in regards for you maybe having the intention to further collect or purchase PRC medals.

 

Basically there are 4 groups of medals in China, referring to the time line 1949 - 1969

1. original war awards - more or less impossible to come by - and if not less then a US$500 a piece for the lowest class - top awards are easily fetching US$ 2000-5000.

2. replacement awards of original war awards - only for former military members or para-military associations.

3. Millions and millions if not billions of commemorative medals - either modeled after original war-awards or to their own intended purpose - e.g. 10 years anniversary of steelworker union 1959, or e.g. First pioneer kindergarten of Taiyuan in honor for the liberation of Taiyuan by the PLA in 1949 - issued 1964, and so on and on.

These commemorative-civilian medals are due to the huge amount produced between 1949-1969 circulating in the market available from US$ 10cent to maximum 50cents (depending on ones bargaining skill or Chinese language skill)

4. From extreme poorly to very professional done fakes in view of no.1 and no.2

 

The one you posted

Price in China - US$10cents to US$ 50cents and not US$130 as supposedly sold for, on the link you gave.

Many of these commemorative medals are mounted on red ribbon carrying clasps - since they give a better appeal to nowadays buyers - these clasps and medals without a pin are 99.99% fake - simply due to the issue of original commemorative medals all possessing a needle pin on their reverse-just as all these Mao badge pin-ons.

I would yet have to come a cross a 1949-1969 photo depicting a civilian wearing a civilian commemorative medal/badge or a Mao badge on a ribbon clasp.

 

There are hundreds of TV documentaries on the Chinese TV channels (1930-1953) - the photo I posted are taken from the TV - since my own documentation about war-awards from 1949-53 isn't finished yet by far.

 

Original war awards or contemporary awards (independent from their splendid quality and size/weight) are either pinned on directly, or are displayed on their respective individual colored ribbons - or are suspended from individual large metal clasps.-see the two TV photos attached.

 

Those dangling on these unified ribbon cheapskate clasps with red ribbon beholding a yellow horizontal striped weaving are official replacement war awards handed out only to war veterans with an official state recognition. They are far better made and differentiate greatly in craftsmanship then those civilian commemorative medals and furthermore are usually 10-20% larger in size. Original clasps on replacement medals are always matching the diameter size of the medal or even slightly longer - see TV photo.

 

Unfortunately these are being faked like hell, because original replacement medals in general do not sell below US$100.

Example of a faked version can be seen on the 1st photo, bottom row, 2nd from left.

 

The last photo is a very rare shot of an active soldier during the Korean war displaying both the pin-on war award and the replacement medal - the latter usually served the purpose to be send to the family of the awardee. 

 

So sorry to say, the medal you posted is from the frontal design resembling exactly a civilian commemorative medal (however without a needle pin system on the back)and attached to a clasp that doesn't match the diameter of the medal. It is made to look like the medal you can see on the 2nd photo-bottom row, 2nd from left.

 

Regards

v.Perlet

Edited January 31, 2022 by v.Perlet

[pieter1012]

Hi All,

 in September 1955, the Standing Committee of the PRC instituted three orders; the Order of August One, The Order of Independence and Freedom,  and the Order of Liberation, all in three classes. After 1957 these orders were no longer awarded.

I wonder if it is known how many of these orders were awarded. Wikipedia gives the follwing numbers for the first class;

August One order; 47

Order of Independence; 196

odre of Liberation; 421

At another source I read for the first class respectively; 171, 307 and 983. That is quite a difference, so I wonder if any of you has the correct numbers for the first class of these three orders.

Thanks and regards,

Pieter

 

[pieter1012]

The reason I ask, because I have all three classes of the Order of Liberation in my collection, and am of course curious to know how many of the first class were issued. Here some pictures, bear with me,

As you can see, the first class case contains the ribbon bar of the first class of the order  of August One. This could mean the receipient also had this order and mixed up the ribbons. Unfortunately, of the Augut One order I have only the thrid class

Edited February 2, 2022 by pieter1012

[nickstrenk]

pieter1012 You have a treasure!

[v.Perlet]

Hallo Pieter1012

 

The ribbons bars on the Liberation order are;

1st class 1 yellow stripe, 2nd class 2 yellow and 3rd class 3 yellow stripes.

The ribbon bars on the August 1st order are;

1st class 1 red stripe, 2nd class 2 red and 3rd class 3 red stripes.

 

Are you referring to the August 1st order (pentagon style) or the Order of Ba Yi Xun Zhang (in English sometimes referred to as Bayi) Whereas the August 1st order was handed out in large numbers compared to the Bayi order which had a very selective criteria. see the photo showing the Sen.Colonel with the neck ribbon

 

There is also a follow up medal of this order - more or less the August 1st order without the pentagon star - just the circle rim and the star in the middle.

 

As for numbers awarded I couldn't tell you right now

 

Judging from the photos your orders look good.

 

I do not want to dishearten you, but be aware that on ORIGINAL (including state-verified documents - not just a nice box) of the August 1st order 1st class in massive gold is traded in China from US$ 60000 - 100000.

Check the link please:

https://auction.artron.net/paimai-art0034202178/

 

Regards

v.Perlet

 

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by v.Perlet

[JapanX]

Damn, your Google-fu is strong ?

[pieter1012]

Hi vPerlet,

As you can see in the picture you provided, I think you have the ribbons wrong. The Order of Liberation has a yellow ribbon with red stripes, 1,2 or 3 according to class. The Order of August One has a red ribbon with yeloy stripes, 1,2 or 3 according to class.  here is the Order of August One, third class, so with a red ribbon with three yellow stripes.

regards, Pieter

sorry, picture of the wrong case,here the correct one

[v.Perlet]

Hello pieter1012,

 

yes off course you are correct - I got mixed up writing the post whilst looking at your first photo with the wrong bar.

 

Regards

v.Perlet