Imperial / Weimar Awards and Badges

[Tupper]

Hello all, 

 

Long Time No See and now im back with a crazy question. 

 

The German WW2 Awards where produced in a 1957 Version. But what happened to imperial or Weimar Awards? Were they produced to? Like the 1914 Iron cross or Other imperial medals, what with the Panzer assault badge? Or Pilot Badges. 

 

I Hope its Not a stupid question. But some of These veterans where still alive to.

 

Your Tupper girl 🫣

[VtwinVince]

Yes, Imperial awards were produced after the second war as replacement pieces, notably by Steinhauer.

[Tupper]

Oh thats very interesting. Is there a list or some pictures of those Awards? I once saw a medal bar wir 57er ww1 Decorations. 

 

Thank You very much VtwinVince 🤗

[Megan]

The purpose of the 1957 issue awards was to allow those who'd received awards for gallantry or war service during WW2 to wear their awards without displaying a swastika, which was (and still is) illegal to wear in Germany. As pre-1933 awards - including, of course, those issued during WW1 - did not bear the swastika, no design change was required for them to be worn in public.

[speedytop]

Hi Tupper,

 

"a medal bar wir 57er ww1 Decorations"

 

VtwinVince and Megan have already described it.

 

With the law from 1957 it was allowed to wear German and foreign decorations. Several civilian and military decorations from the Third Reich period could be worn too.

Official specified decorations of this period could be worn only in a denazified form, without national socialist emblems (ohne nationalsozialistische Embleme), in a changed design (in geänderter Form).

Only the denazified pieces could be 1957er versions: 1957er Auszeichnungen

 

A medal bar with 1957er decorations can be called a 1957er bar, but that does not make the other originals or copies on the bar to 1957er decorations.

 

Uwe

 

[Tupper]

So, pre 1933 Decorations would be still produced after WW2. But they are Not 57er Awards. Right? 

 

Do those Post WW2 pre 1933 Awards has a specific Name? Or are they just wearers copies / replacement Awards?

[speedytop]

Copy, reproduction, replacement, fake, or what ever you want (but not original or 57er)

 

Uwe

Edited February 28, 2023 by speedytop

[Tupper]

20 minutes ago, speedytop said:

Copy, reproduction, replacement, fake, or what ever you want (but not original or 57er)

 

Uwe

So, after WW2 there wasn't an official Order to produce replacement Awards for vets? 

 

What about the interwar replacement Awards - are they Copy or replacement If they are made by one of the original makers?

 

I know i have a lot questions - maybe some hard or crazy ones 😅🫣

 

 

[Megan]

By doubting we come to questioning, by questioning we come to perceive the truth

 

Is a 'replacement' a 'copy'? When the original awardee wants another piece of insignia, perhaps having lost the original or because they like wearing it and don't want the original to get battered and worn out, that's more of a replacement. Especially in those countries where you are expected to purchase insignia once an award has been made.

 

When a particular insignia is rare and hard to come by, copies may appear. Some are honest about it and come marked as a 'copy', Others are intended to deceive collectors, and those are 'fakes'.

 

Or at least, that's how I see it. Your opinion may vary.

[Tupper]

Thank You for your Input. Im Not into fakes. But i have a big discussion with my dad. He collects ww1. He has a 1940s made 1914 Iron cross. (In my Opinion a replacement) but He also has a 60s Post war 1914 iron Cross. And here we are... Is this a replacement, a Copy, a Fake or... ?

Me again. 😅

 

He also has a 30s made hollow ww1 U Boot badge and a 40s made Zink ww1 u boot badge. To him both are original. To me both are replacement Awards. 😅

 

but what happened after WW2. I read that some Firms (Like Steinhauer & Lück) produced ww1 Awards to. Are they Fake, collectors items, replacement... Im so confused 🫣

[speedytop]

Hi,

 

Steinhauer & Lück wrote in the early 40s: "Die von uns gelieferten Nachbildungen..."

 

It can be translated with e.g. copy, replica, reproduction, duplicate etc.

 

You can take it for both, 1940 and 1960.

 

 

"So, after WW2 there wasn't an official Order to produce replacement Awards for vets?"

 

No, there was no official order, never!

 

Uwe

Edited March 1, 2023 by speedytop

[Tupper]

Oh thank You very much. I didnt know that.  So they were always replications. 

 

Thank You very much 🤗