bigjarofwasps Posted March 6, 2023 Posted March 6, 2023 (edited) Some interesting LSGC’s engraved with the prefix Detective. The first is to a MDP senior officer issued in the 1990’s. The second is to a DC issued in 2016. The last to a female Officer who was attached to CID in the Met during the 1950’s. Edited March 6, 2023 by bigjarofwasps
I_♥_Police Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 23 hours ago, bigjarofwasps said: Some interesting LSGC’s engraved with the prefix Detective. The first is to a MDP senior officer issued in the 1990’s. The second is to a DC issued in 2016. The last to a female Officer who was attached to CID in the Met during the 1950’s. great post. Thank you. Do you have any idea why the DS is on the medal as 'PS (CID)'. I don't understand this unless its historical or a strange regional variation as I have literally never seen this in the job at all, written down or spoken about. Very strange terminology.
bigjarofwasps Posted March 7, 2023 Author Posted March 7, 2023 2 hours ago, I_♥_Police said: great post. Thank you. Do you have any idea why the DS is on the medal as 'PS (CID)'. I don't understand this unless its historical or a strange regional variation as I have literally never seen this in the job at all, written down or spoken about. Very strange terminology. The story goes, that this medal was issued in the 1950’s, the recipient was a female uniformed officer, who was attached to C.I.D, in an admin role.
bigjarofwasps Posted March 29 Author Posted March 29 Another example issued in March 2024 to an Officer from Kent Constabulary. (Officer having qualified in September 2022).
dpk Posted March 30 Posted March 30 There seem to be occasional occurrences of the 'Det' rank on LSGC medal namings. Not sure if this a newer trend, or just that some forces specified that rank in the requisition for the medal for that detective officer. while other forces simply nominated the rank and not the position. Similarly, re the SC Faithful Service Medal, I had always thought that a plain 'Constable' level officer just had his name on the medal rim, while any rank senior to that did have the rank included in the naming. Recently I found one which had the rank of 'Const' impressed on the rim- the first I have seen with that rank. I don't know if more of these will now appear or if it is a rare exception to the normal naming standards? Look forward to hearing anything about changes in naming styles! 1
bigjarofwasps Posted March 30 Author Posted March 30 9 hours ago, dpk said: There seem to be occasional occurrences of the 'Det' rank on LSGC medal namings. Not sure if this a newer trend, or just that some forces specified that rank in the requisition for the medal for that detective officer. while other forces simply nominated the rank and not the position. Similarly, re the SC Faithful Service Medal, I had always thought that a plain 'Constable' level officer just had his name on the medal rim, while any rank senior to that did have the rank included in the naming. Recently I found one which had the rank of 'Const' impressed on the rim- the first I have seen with that rank. I don't know if more of these will now appear or if it is a rare exception to the normal naming standards? Look forward to hearing anything about changes in naming styles! That’s certainly a very curious example. Would be interested to learn which effigy it is.
dpk Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) EIIR 'DEI. GRATIA', it does not have the Birmingham Mint suspender, so almost certainly manufactured by the Royal Mint either prior to 1995 or after 2007. Not sure whether very recent issues are still ex the Royal Mint or by another contracted maker (some say Worcester Medals took on the manufacturing for a period after 2007 but I don't have confirmation). Edited March 30 by dpk Update with photo 1
bigjarofwasps Posted April 5 Author Posted April 5 (edited) The detective prefix, is certainly becoming more common. This one was issued yesterday (4th April 2024) by Essex Constabulary the officer having qualified in August 2023. (*note is still bears the Queen’s effigy). Edited April 5 by bigjarofwasps
bigjarofwasps Posted April 28 Author Posted April 28 Have confirmed that in North Wales Police where there is detective rank qualifying for the long service medal they do add DET for english & DTF for welsh preferences. They have been ordering in this way for a number of years.
Nick Posted June 18 Posted June 18 PC (CID) is usually indicative of Metropolitan Police CID officers, as a work around I would guess for the fact that Detective is not a rank per se and couldn’t be used. Not sure when or if this has now stopped as it seems to have been mainly seen on older medals. Not personally seen it on senior ranks. But there wasn’t this modern obsession with detective grade in years gone by. Senior Officers now seem to like keeping the nomenclature of Detective throughout their service, even when they might not have done any ‘detective’ work for years. Many Detective Chief Superintendent's about, most of which returned to uniform duties to get promotion, and haven’t been working as a detective on detective branch for many years 🤷♂️
bigjarofwasps Posted July 11 Author Posted July 11 Ditectif Gwnstabl (Detective Constable), example awarded to an Officer from North Wales Police. Welsh engraved E11R effigy are unique to NWP. They began being issued in 2006 and cease in 2023, with the change over to the C111R effigy.
bigjarofwasps Posted October 13 Author Posted October 13 Detective prefix medal listed on EBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/205035571151?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ltWP512RT-O&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=MrvFRMzuStu&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Bidding currently at £175, will certainly be to see what premium it finally commands…
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