Do you know a GW makers mark?

[Farkas]

Hi Gents,

i’ve got a couple of Karl Truppen Kreuz with a GW makers mark and as far as i know the maker is unidentified.

 

Has anyone got a GW mark or maybe even know who it is?

 

cheers

tony

 

 

 

Edited August 6, 2023 by Farkas
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[graham]

I have a GW 18 on an A-H wound medal:

 

[Graf]

11 hours ago, Farkas said:

Hi Gents,

i’ve got a couple of Karl Truppen Kreuz with a GW makers mark and as far as i know the maker is unidentified.

 

Has anyone got a GW mark or maybe even know who it is?

 

cheers

tony

 

 

 

Hi Tony,

 

I looked in my files.Yes, it looks a mystery mark

The only thing that I can suggest that this could be a cities  of Graz -G and Vienna (Wien) -W marrks

But why two cities? Mystery. I hope someone with more deep knowledge in to the Austrian Makers Marks can come with some hint

 

 

Other option is if GW stand for name/s G could be for Gebruder and W for the family name if the company was run by at least two Brothers  Mystery

 

Cheers

Edited August 6, 2023 by Graf

[Farkas]

6 hours ago, graham said:

I have a GW 18 on an A-H wound medal:

 

Yes, that’s exactly the mark Graham...

5 hours ago, Graf said:

Hi Tony,

 

I looked in my files.Yes, it looks a mystery mark

The only thing that I can suggest that this could be a cities  of Graz -G and Vienna (Wien) -W marrks

But why two cities? Mystery. I hope someone with more deep knowledge in to the Austrian Makers Marks can come with some hint

 

 

Other option is if GW stand for name/s G could be for Gebruder and W for the family name if the company was run by at least two Brothers  Mystery

 

Cheers

 

Thanks for looking Graf, I couldn’t find a name for it, the few examples i found were ‘unidentified’ and i wanted to make sure those sources were upto date, so thanks 👍👍

 

So Gents,

i think i may have cracked it 🤞

But what do think of this suggestion?👇

 

Gottlieb Wellner

A German silversmiths which operated until 1946 from, some sources say, 1850. (but certainly existed by 1900)

The usual mark attributed to them is

GOWE  

 

At times a different GW mark (also seen above) was used 👇 by them.

 

I don’t believe that 2 different coexisting firms would ever use the same letters for their marks.

 

So.,. I dont think attributing these medals and this GW mark to Gottlieb Wellner is too much of a stretch, especially as no other matches for the initials GW are apparent.

What do you think?
 

All thoughts and opinions welcomed as always 👍

 

cheers

tony 🍻

[Graf]

 

 

Nice work

Worth exploring further If we can trace more items we might get more information

 

Cheers

[Farkas]

1 hour ago, Graf said:

 

 

Nice work

Worth exploring further If we can trace more items we might get more information

 

Cheers

 

Good suggestion, I found this excellent page about the Wellner family business history, there was a business partner called  Gaedt and a brother called Gustav, ‘Chief smelter’, so a few more G possibilities 👍

 

https://www.ascasonline.org/articoloMARZ155.html

 

tony🍻

[Graf]

6 hours ago, Farkas said:

 

Good suggestion, I found this excellent page about the Wellner family business history, there was a business partner called  Gaedt and a brother called Gustav, ‘Chief smelter’, so a few more G possibilities 👍

 

https://www.ascasonline.org/articoloMARZ155.html

 

tony🍻

Good detective job Tony.

[Farkas]

I was surprised that ‘Gebruder’ was such a frequently found name amongst medal makers…

 

 

you live and learn 😊

[Farkas]

Well Gents,

I’ve looked into this for ages now…

there is no recognised maker known to use GW. There are a few German makers including Wellner who it could match, after all KTK were made for veterans in the 30’s and GW could be one of them but there is one reference claiming to identify it.

 

I still wouldn’t bet the mortgage on this because it was/is only one reference in a ‘for sale’ ad, however it is an Austrian maker and who am I to discount it.

 

On 06/08/2023 at 12:55, graham said:

I have a GW 18 on an A-H wound medal:

 

Graham, thanks for this 👆, it was the 18 that led me to it, it was also a wound medal, apparently marked GW&18 and representing Grossman, Vienna.

Though other Grossman marks exist and no records of this one does…

I’m going with Grossman.

 

cheers

tony 

[graham]

Good work Farkas.

[Farkas]

Hi Gents,

Why didn’t I just leave it at that…🤷‍♂️
 

I couldn’t though.

 

On the rim of a thin KTK a simplified makers mark is understandable but there is plenty of space on Grahams wound medal for Grossmans usual mark.

I’ve been looking for others so I kept looking for GW and I found one.

 

 

In theory, it has to be him.

The GW is his makers mark.

 

Unless the business had ceased trading by 1916 and it was up for grabs?

I can’t get any results for him or his business on Google, even with ‘Wilde’ and ‘Wildt’.  I guess there are some in German but it just isn’t matching me with them.

Any thoughts Gents?

 

tony 🍻

 

[unmo300]

GW - Győrffy és Wolf Fémipari Részvénytársaság.

Edited September 11, 2023 by unmo300

[graham]

Thanks unmo300. Very interesting, do you have any examples you can share?

[Farkas]

On 11/09/2023 at 21:06, unmo300 said:

GW - Győrffy és Wolf Fémipari Részvénytársaság.

 

Thanks unmo300,

i’m keen to pin these makers down if i can and this one wasn’t settled for me.

Can you expand on anything for me please? It would be great to have a reference to place on here if possible, 👍

 

I’m translating (from Hungarian) as

Győrffy és Wolf   - Győrffy & Wolf (names

Fémipari      -   Metallurgical 

Részvénytársaság - (joint stock) company

 

Is this  roughly it?

‘Győrffy & Wolf Metalwork Company’

 

8 hours ago, graham said:

Thanks unmo300. Very interesting, do you have any examples you can share?

 

Did you already have knowledge of Győrffy & Wolf and the GW mark?

 

A lot of questions i know, my apologies and thanks in advance!

 

tony 🍻

 

Ps

i wonder if i am related?? 😊

 

 

[Carlo]

On 8/17/2023 at 2:57 AM, Farkas said:

Hi Gents,

Why didn’t I just leave it at that…🤷‍♂️
 

I couldn’t though.

 

On the rim of a thin KTK a simplified makers mark is understandable but there is plenty of space on Grahams wound medal for Grossmans usual mark.

I’ve been looking for others so I kept looking for GW and I found one.

 

 

In theory, it has to be him.

The GW is his makers mark.

 

Unless the business had ceased trading by 1916 and it was up for grabs?

I can’t get any results for him or his business on Google, even with ‘Wilde’ and ‘Wildt’.  I guess there are some in German but it just isn’t matching me with them.

Any thoughts Gents?

 

tony 🍻

 

Interesting, it could be, it's a shame we don't have a box to add a few more elements to the search...

[Farkas]

On 08/10/2023 at 01:00, Carlo said:

Interesting, it could be, it's a shame we don't have a box to add a few more elements to the search...

 

I agree, 

i’ve been looking into these marks for at least 6 months now. It might be time to accept there is a reason these marks are still considered unidentified.

 

There are numerous businesses with the correct initials, unfortunately the ‘unknown’ KTK marks are likely not even regular makers marks, which would be distinguishable from each other.

 

Also, it appears, there is the use of metalworks and others not usually involved in medal making to consider.

 

tony 🍻

 

Search for GW, nearly 6 months. 👇

 

[Graf]

3 minutes ago, Farkas said:

 

I agree, 

i’ve been looking into these marks for at least 6 months now. It might be time to accept there is a reason these marks are still considered unidentified.

 

There are numerous businesses with the correct initials, unfortunately the ‘unknown’ KTK marks are likely not even regular makers marks, which would be distinguishable from each other.

 

Also, it appears, there is the use of metalworks and others not usually involved in medal making to consider.

 

tony 🍻

 

Search for GW, nearly 6 months. 👇

 

Nice work Tony

[Farkas]

1 hour ago, Graf said:

Nice work Tony

 

Cheers Graf 🍻🍻

 

On 11/09/2023 at 21:06, unmo300 said:

GW - Győrffy és Wolf Fémipari Részvénytársaság.

 

On 12/09/2023 at 21:43, Farkas said:

 

Thanks unmo300,

i’m keen to pin these makers down if i can and this one wasn’t settled for me.

Can you expand on anything for me please? It would be great to have a reference to place on here if possible, 👍

 

I’m translating (from Hungarian) as

Győrffy és Wolf   - Győrffy & Wolf (names

Fémipari      -   Metallurgical 

Részvénytársaság - (joint stock) company

 

Is this  roughly it?

‘Győrffy & Wolf Metalwork Company’

 

 

Did you already have knowledge of Győrffy & Wolf and the GW mark?

 

A lot of questions i know, my apologies and thanks in advance!

 

tony 🍻

 

Ps

i wonder if i am related?? 😊

 

 

 

I’d love to hear a little more about this company... ☝️

Győrffy és Wolf Fémipari Részvénytársaság.

 

On 17/08/2023 at 01:57, Farkas said:

Hi Gents,

Why didn’t I just leave it at that…🤷‍♂️
 

I couldn’t though.

 

On the rim of a thin KTK a simplified makers mark is understandable but there is plenty of space on Grahams wound medal for Grossmans usual mark.

I’ve been looking for others so I kept looking for GW and I found one.

 

 

In theory, it has to be him.

The GW is his makers mark.

 

Unless the business had ceased trading by 1916 and it was up for grabs?

I can’t get any results for him or his business on Google, even with ‘Wilde’ and ‘Wildt’.  I guess there are some in German but it just isn’t matching me with them.

Any thoughts Gents?

 

tony 🍻

 

Gustav Wild is still a possibility to me ☝️

Grossman Wien has to be too👇

On 12/08/2023 at 05:36, Farkas said:

Well Gents,

I’ve looked into this for ages now…

there is no recognised maker known to use GW. There are a few German makers including Wellner who it could match, after all KTK were made for veterans in the 30’s and GW could be one of them but there is one reference claiming to identify it.

 

I still wouldn’t bet the mortgage on this because it was/is only one reference in a ‘for sale’ ad, however it is an Austrian maker and who am I to discount it.

 

Graham, thanks for this 👆, it was the 18 that led me to it, it was also a wound medal, apparently marked GW&18 and representing Grossman, Vienna.

Though other Grossman marks exist and no records of this one does…

I’m going with Grossman.

 

cheers

tony 

 

So for now i’m going to (try to) leave it at those 3...

 

a confident vote from unmo300 :

Győrffy és Wolf

Fémipari Részvénytársaság.

 

a 3rd party identification :

Grossman Wien

 

a jeweller with a matching GW mark :

Gustav Wild

 

————————

 

Thanks for the support/input Gents.

It makes all the difference...

 

tony 🍻🍻

 

 

On 12/08/2023 at 11:22, graham said:

Good work Farkas.

 

2 hours ago, Graf said:

Nice work Tony

 

On 08/10/2023 at 01:00, Carlo said:

Interesting, it could be, it's a shame we don't have a box to add a few more elements to the search...

 

On 11/09/2023 at 21:06, unmo300 said:

GW - Győrffy és Wolf Fémipari Részvénytársaság.

 

👍👍

[Farkas]

On 06/08/2023 at 12:55, graham said:

I have a GW 18 on an A-H wound medal:

 

I think the 18 on yours might be the year of issue, there is another example of a wound medal , I’ve forgotten the maker (KM/KMT?) with 1919 on it.

 

tony🍻